Pax is beautiful but not so easy to find.

Sorry, I do not have any images, but wanted to add that Darlow's Enigma is heat tolerant, and the most drought tolerant rose I have grown. I was actively trying to get rid of one of my D.E. by withholding water and all care for several months. It was not in a position to receive run-off from the irrigation of other roses either. It survived and began blooming during the Spring.

Sally Holmes is a healthy plant and vigorous grower L.V.

Now that you have consistent irrigation and proper mulching, I hope your experiences with roses improves, Ingrid. Your garden continues to be one of my GW favorites!

I tend to think of hybrid musks as those from Pemberton/Bentall but as with Lens - I was looking at his fabulous hybrid musks just recently and swooning over them.. there are a number amongst Austin English roses group... they are listed in the catalogue as ''Musk Hybrid''..

..amongst those I have are 'Anne Boleyn'.. 'Desdemona'... 'Kew Gardens'.. and newer ones such as 'Vanessa Bell' and 'Dame Judi Dench' if you have recently acquired those.. 'Roald Dahl' is another … and this new one with large single yellow flowers called 'Tottering-by-Gently'...

I thought I would die if I didn't get Pax when I lived in z9/10. I never did, then forgot about it. I never see it anymore and haven't thought of that rose until Ingrid brought it up. Still very lovely.

Desertgarden, I also tried to encourage a Darlow's E to go away by totally neglecting it. He's still here, doing fine. I'm glad he survived.

Marlorena, I really like Tottering-by-Gently. Nice to see another single from the Austin people. Could the name be in reference to the aging Mr. Austin? Apparently he liked the singles and less popular forms than the ones he's known for.

No, it's named for a popular cartoon... they could have named it after me though..

You're hilarious, Marlorena! ; ))

This is the class that blooms well in shade, correct?

I wonder whether someone saw me in the garden and named Tottering-by-Gently after me. Well no ,I think flowersaremusic's guess as to the name is a very astute one. Oops, just went back and saw Marlorena's explanation.

Darlow's Enigma sounds like the dream rose for my garden. Thank you both for mentioning its extreme toughness. I know Jeri has also sung its praises, and it's definitely on my radar now. K S, I love the photo of the beautiful bud of Pax. I'm so glad it's still being offered and grown.

Flowers- I had three Darlow's Enigma at the time and wanted to remove one to make room for Emanuella de Mouchy. I moved Darlow's Enigma to the hottest part of my garden, Emanuella de Mouchy did not survive the transplant... Darlow's Enigma is one tough rose...

JC Yes blooms well in shade.

Desertgarden, one of mine was too closely planted to the base of a tall pine. I tried to kill that one, but he's better than ever. They're definitely tough, even with those sweet little perfumey blooms. I'm going to try to propagate him this year to plant in another spot. If you can't beat 'em, multiply 'em. Definitely a good rose to lighten up a corner or in a place where you can't give it regular care. Sorry you lost Emanuella de Mouchy! She's so beautiful. I probably shouldn't try her, either.

Emmanuella de Mouchy was thriving prior to the transplant attempt (LV garden). Its demise was definitely due to my poor planning. I think Sheila grows E.M. ...

My apologies for the side track, Altorama..

No worries DesertGarden!

So much fun reading this thread and seeing the hybrid musks. All the comments about Darlow’s are on point. That is an amazingly tough rose and to me very beautiful. I planted 2 bands in an area shaded by a hackberry tree on the south, partly shaded by a 100 years old Oak on the east, and neighbors trees on the west. They took a bit to get going, but they are going to start their 3rd season and I just realized this weekend they are around 2x2 and covered in buds lol. No other rose in my garden can do that.

Thank you so much for a HM thread! I just love their graceful habit and frilly excess. I have just planted little babies of Buff Beauty, Lavender Lassie, Cornelia, Felicia, Prosperity, Penelope, Nastarana, Darlow‘s Enigma, and Hera’s Song. I‘ll update in the fall as to how they fare here in hot n’humid NE FL. :-)

Yes, Lynn, my E d Mouchy is lovely and from RVRs. My Darlow's are too, and they are tough and in bloom constantly.

Here’s my new Sally Holmes.

Here are a few more of Bouquet Parfait

I forgot, I also had Ballerina, but gave it away, too much blackspot.

Yes I am near Boston! , but the pictures are from last summer.

A lot of the green is thyme, I use it in place of mulch.

Jim I think she is North of Boston. So you're right oh, cold! :-)

Yes indeed!

Updates on how these roses did this year? Perm in posies, how did yours make out that you plant it?

Cornelia & Excellenz von Schubert

Kathleen

Kathleen & Ghislaine de Feligonde

Buff Beauty at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden

Prosperity at my friend Fay's in MD (bit out of focus). It's in deep shade.

A few more pics from previous years. Cornelia -- showing change in color

Cornelia & Golden Wings in background (A few Excellenz in between) & Jeanne La Joie on fence

Excellenz von Schubert (not sure if really a musk, I like to think so, anyway) with daffodil -

More Excellenz also showing change of color. 2017 was a banner year -- more sun less rain

Monarda, how big is your Kathleen ?? I have mine for 3 yrs and blooms very little. It gets about nearly 8 hours of sun. Just super slow to grow but now it just had some winter growth. Very slow grower or should i say slept for a few years.

Beautiful roses and i am really enjoying this with my cup of coffee.

I like Marjorie Fair also but my plant died last year. Some call it Red Ballerina but for me the growth was not as tall, rounded , or shrubby. It wanted to grow sideways and low. I loved the eyed blooms.

My Lavender Lassie got really big and went up into an apple tree and cascaded down.

Felicia ...a favorite for fragrance and repeat

Penelope

Gartendiirektor Otto Linne ... a healthy, vigorous plant with good repeat

Nur Mahal

Danae in some shade

Plumeria Girl, my Kathleen is over 30 years old. It is trained -- or trained itself -- along the top of a 6' fence and grows about 20 feet -- horizontal. It's not true that you don't have to deadhead, though - at least for me. That is, last summer it repeated once or twice but would have done so more often if I had been able to deadhead. It was just too daunting -- I had low energy because of the continual rain & jungle heat & my bad back. I'd say, give it five years to begin to show its stuff.

One autumn years ago I saw multiple plants of Katheen at Planting Fields Arboretum on Long Island trained on arches along an allée with pink asters at their feet. What a sight! I wonder if they are still there. Must go back.

I love that Danae, Erasmus, -- wish I had more room. Hybrid Musks are so fabulous.

Oh, wow—Monarda And Erasmus, these are so many gorgeous HMs!! Vap, mine did fine...Prosperity was in constant bloom, and extremely healthy in part shade. Felicia is divinely fragrant, and about to be moved so I can enjoy her more. Nastarana just got moved...so I had to do a redesign of my shady corner, and actually almost all my HMs are getting moved to make room for the rabbit hutch.

I’ve been busy this winter break building it, so not keeping up with rose forum! But I’m just so happy to see these photos today; just the inspiration I needed to keep going, lol!! :-)

Are there any smaller Hybrid Musks that you would recommend for an area with part shade and high blackspot pressure?

I have a tiered fountain I want to put into a sort of a corner bed. Would like to have a nice rose either behind it for backdrop or around the base. Area gets about 4 hours of sun.

Darlow's Enigma sounds great, but not sure it could handle very heavy pruning all the time.

Wow so many beautiful HM's on here! I have Penelope that is just getting some size on it. I got it as a cutting and am so proud of myself for it rooting and doing so well (not killing it) lol.

I can see I need to add more Hybrid Musks.

I'm interested in Bubble Bath, Buff Beauty, Cornelia, Lavender Lassie, Bouquet Parfait, & Darlow's Enigma.

Would any of these be good in zn 9a FL? Black Spot is our main issue and I don't spray.

jc, do you have a picture of this space? I'm thinking through those I have. Perhaps Marjorie Fair, Buff Beauty or Christian J? I'll post pics of MF and CJ in a bit.

Thanks all for answering my queries. Besides polys and climbers this is my favourite class as it can often combines the charm and habit of both! I think I need to try Penelope again and add Nur Mahal to my list. KS, you are so lucky to have the elusive Pax. I've wanted that rose as a Memorial to my long gone, but never forgotten Samoyed. She was the sweetest and her name suited her precisely.

Wow I just love this thread. Hybrid musks are definitely at the top of my list beside Austin’s in beauty. I think their blooms are romantic and magical. There are so many, it is hard to choose.

sultry darlow’s enigma is almost 100% resistant to black spot here no spray. I know all strains of bs aren’t the same but that is one tough rose. I love all the ones I am growing so far: Ballerina, buff beauty, Sally holmes, Dr. Robert korns and darlow’s enigma. Except for DE they all get BS here so far. I need to add more.

Dianela, how did I forget or miss that you grow Dr.RK/Aptos? So lovely. So far, Christian J is completely clean here and always trying to bloom even as a tiny thing.

Lyda Rose is very pretty. Mine is not very old, and is not big but it wants to bloom.

I am fond of my Yesterday plant.

I’m frustrated I can’t capture scale here. The fountain is small compared to the space. Spring and Summer also cause a lot of shade.

i bet that corner gets 4 hours direct.

Can you have it growing up the wall? That would be extraordinary. I'm thinking Pink Ghislaine de Feligonde, Cornelia or Felicia if that's the case. Your brick is a good colour in that it won't clash with much. Belinda is another great HM. Erasmus, I love your Lyda. I failed with cuttings this year. : ((

Vapor love my Aptos rose so far. I am not sure if it is under patent but if it isn’t I would be happy to send you a baby if my cuttings take. I always love the hybrid musks so much, but so far they don’t seem particularly resistant to black spot here. Any other that stays completely clean no spray in your garden? I can’t wait to see your pictures of Christian J. This one is not one I am not familiar with.

jc I love your house and your fountain.

I can’t advice which rose to choose because they are all gorgeous and many would work great in that area. Four hours of good sunlight may be just enough to make it happen. The aptos rose is another hybrid musk I purchased from rogue valley. They claim it blooms under trees in their property with almost no direct sun. I have mine with an eastern exposure so I can’t back up their claims. It is very lovely tho Even on her first year.

after a big rain.

Erasmus I am drooling at all your gorgeous hybrid musks. I have to figure out where to place some more.

Sultry, I’ve been growing Darlow‘s Enigma, Felicia, Cornelia, Nastarana, Penelope, Buff Beauty, And Lavender Lassie here. LL is the only one that defoliated from BS, and that’s probably because she’s in too much shade. The others dropped a few leaves this fall when the temps dropped to favor BS, but grew new leaves rapidly, and otherwise have been very healthy. (I don’t spray either.)

JC, I think Felicia is quite mannerly and is so lovely and fragrant that everyone should have one, but I don’t think you’d go wrong with it, Cornelia or Penelope there. :-)

Excellenz von Schubert is fabulous! No thorns at all and mauve flowers that have an incredible rosy fragrance. Maybe it would be called damask fragrance? It is very similar to the rose water from the Indian market. Here is a bouquet I picked two days ago. I just keep sniffing, since it smells so good and occasionally I get a waft of fragrance if sitting nearby. It is apparently often confused with Gartendirektor Otto Linne, which is pink and thorny. I got mine from Burlington.

Erasmus, I love your Lavender Lassie climbing the apple tree -- that's wild. I'm not sure I'd say that Pax is more beautiful than Prosperity (I haven't seen Prosperity anyway) but it seems like it might have fewer petals and be less pink. Apparently I only put up a picture of a bud previously -- here are some pictures of a bloom on Pax opening last summer. I don't have whole plant pics because it is in a container. Hopefully I'll manage to move this rose (and me) to a place with a bigger yard in 2020. Fingers crossed. Vaporvac, you might as well put yourself on the waitlist for Pax at RVR. That's where I got it. More people should grow this rose for sure.

I might as well. They have quite a few others that I want. Beautiful EVS. Mine is the imposter I think from ARE.

I got my real EvS from RVRs, Vapor. You may have to add it too. Pax looks wonderful, KS.

Thanks vapor, dianela, and perma!

I really like that felicia will do well in shade and is evidently not particularly prone to BS?

Lisa posted somewhere that it is a Top5 rose for her and that it sprawls, which is also good for my purposes.

I am pretty sure I do not want to get it own root. All the other ones in this bed are own-root austins and they were SLOW this year.

Burling also has the REAL EVS, as well as Aptos aka Dr. Korn. My Felicia is good for BS. I have a couple others that do well in marginal sun, but they're not HMs. Chuckles, Pink Pet, Marie Pavie and Gruss an Aachen. I think the last two also have a climbing version.

Thanks, all. EvS and Otto Linne both remind me of what little I've seen of my new Pomponella. It's early for me to have an opinion about Pomponella though.

Looking at pics on hmf of Pax and Prosperity it does look to me like Prosperity may have more petals and sometimes has a blush of pink in the centers. But most often it is pure white, and most often the form is semi -double. It's a vigorous shrub.

I'm curious about whether Clytemnestra and Nymphenburg are similar to Felicia. I have a trade in the works for a Walferdange plant this spring. Have wanted that one awhile. A lot of the hybrid musks are vigorous and take up a lot of room. My Lavender Lassie in the tree seems to have overextended itself. It has had major die back for some reason....maybe voles. Most of what was in the tree is gone but there is a good bit left of the plant. Mine can defoliate in mid to late summer too.

One thing great about this site and hmf is the variety of pics, the good , bad, and ugly. The less wonderful shots help quite a bit too.

Prosperity looking more typical, less glam:

Hmmm, that’s LESS glam???

Wow! Prosperity is a beauty!

My thoughts exactly, oursteelers! LOL! I finally got my Prosperity in the ground and am hoping for better things. When she's happy, there is an exquisite beauty to her blooms with a parchment-type quality to her inner opening petals when in partial shade. Erasmus first picture show a bit of this coloration. Pics to follow.