I hope you're hanging in there Jin and finished your preparations. If my cuttings take, I can send you one to graft. I'd try it myself if I had the proper rootstock.

Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and suggestions! Great discussion!

Jeri I totally agree with you; it’s been very warm... I’ll keep the watering up as you and Roseseek suggested.

I re-read the description of ALMcD and am I correct in saying Roseseek = Kim Rupert the hybridizer? Thank you Kim for sharing about the growth habit and also it’s current commerce status. It‘s such a pity this rose can’t be more widespread in people’s gardens!

Kim, would it it be possible to ask you some more questions via houzz message? Please could you send me a message since I don’t seem to be able to reach you via Houzz profile?

Sheila, I also appreciate your comments about the patience required of a gardener... I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately in our fast paced world. Sometimes growth seems to be so slow, yet why are we in such a rush anyway? The own-root plants I’ve purchased have gone into containers to grow-up and also for me to see how they behave here... what sort of light exposure they prefer and their growth habit; I found it helps to be able to easily move them around and see their true personalities over a couple of summers.

Having had no expectations, when I first started growing roses, I thought they were so responsive compared to slipper orchids, but my expectations and hurru-up business seem to have caught up. It’s a good reminder to me to slow down and stop to smell the roses!

Thankyou. I've sent you a PM, jjkOC.

Interesting thread at this particular moment in history! I just today potted up 4 grafted 'Annie Laurie McDowell into 1-gallon pots. They are on 'Fortuniana' roots. I probably should have grafted more, but still can. I want to put at least one into the college's gardens, but beyond that, they'll likely end up in a sale at a Central Florida Heritage Rose Society meeting, or be given to friends who I know will cherish them.

Well, I know one Floridian who would be interested! ;0

Marvelous! Thank you, Malcolm! PLEASE reserve one for Jin, plumeriagirl! The effort to get the Fortuniana to Cool Roses was so she could obtain one from him on Fortuniana. I'm delighted you now have them (again!). These must be from the material sent for the virus testing. I am delighted and can't wait to see them growing in your gardens!

Yes Kim -- from the original cuttings you sent me years ago. We've grown it in the greenhouse, potted, since then.

Wow, wish I could join you at the Florida Rose Society Meeting!

Whoa !! Really ? Finally it is here and there I thought of asking Dr. M. Manners as a last resort Bec of his very tight schedule.

I am super happy and I do know Perma wants it too Bec of family name. So, it is very special for her too .

I will send Dr. Manners a message on how to get ALMD.

Kim," T H A N K YOU " !!!

Dr. Manners do you have Climbing Columbian too ?

Oh, I am really excited already.

Thank you guys / gals :)

jin

Vap, thank you for trying to do a cutting for me. The weather here is getting windy. The last I saw was 4 am and a little at my lunch hour.
This is what I saw when I was at red light. I took a snapshot as I can hear the winds . It is not bad as other Hurricanes that I have driven before.
I am glad it is a tropical storm for us . Feel really bad for Bahamas people.

jin

Malcolm -- Thank you for doing that with Annie Laurie McDowell. It's just too good a rose to be lost for lack of sources.

Jin, I'm glad to hear the 'hurricane' isn't too bad for you. That means it will be less as it comes up here lol. We were under mandatory evacuation because we were in hurricane zone B due to a small river branch behind us. I'm glad we didnt leave now.

Uggh! I feel for you guys not know ing what to do and planning for the worst, hoping for the best. But planning requires so much work. It's really bad for those that don't get paid while off, but if it was a C5 that would be awful to try and ride it out. Poor people in the Bahamas. Jin, I'm happy to share anything I have, but it would be OR or maybe on Dr.H or Multi once I attempt that. I need to stop with the cuttings already, but it's fun and much more rewarding!

Yes, please hold one for me! I’ve been desperately trying to get this one, since McDowell is my DMs maiden name, and we are distantly related to the namesake. I will happily drive over to the sale if you let me know when. Jin & I will take excellent care of them and I think they will be very happy in FL. :-)

I was so excited to read about her, that I forgot my manners...thank you so much to all the folks who have worked so tirelessly to keep these roses in our modern world. Reading through this thread, I'm struck by how many steps go into keeping these treasures alive. I’m very grateful to you all for the preservation and propagation work being done. :-)

JJ, I send you Houzz mails yesterday and today both came back to me. That is so weird. I can give up oth Houzz...

jin

Hi Jin, I sent 2 replies to your messages. I can see that they were sent. Did you get them?

Yes, I did. I reply back using yours but after that I try twice and it came back as undelivered. It is on my side that I am having issues again. It happen to me before. So, I don't want you to think otherwise.

I have been looking at orchids again . I research on a few and came up with this 3.
Jenmani, Maxima and cattleya Pink Diamond but I am not sure of nurseries which I am hoping you can recommend.
This are kinda fragrant and loves humid and hot conditions.
I was wondering if you grew any of them ?

jin

Jin, I sent you a message with my email address. Please send me an email to discuss nurseries for the orchids your interested in!

Rose Petals has Annie Laurie McDowell in stock.

What great news! Rose Petals is a great Nursery and this is a great rose.

Beautiful, Sheila! Thank you!

Wow.

I ordered Annie from Rose Petals a few weeks ago...I put myself on their wait list and the very next day got an email to say it is in stock...I jumped at the chance and placed my order in about a millisecond, since I'd heard this rose is hard to come by.

But I had no idea it was that hard! Reading this thread makes me (a) sad to hear the problems Roseseek is having; (b) grateful to him for breeding the rose and trying to keep it in commerce; (c) grateful to RPN for having this rose available; (d) even more excited to receive Annie in a few months; and (e) determined to baby her as much as she needs!

Most of my roses get little to no special babying - some fertilizer in the spring, water in the summer, and some pruning in the winter - no spraying or deadheading or any kind of routine care. But if precious Annie needs a daily pep talk to keep her spirits up, by golly she's going to get it!

I have one coming from Pam at angel gardens this week . Seems she rooted a handful! So it seems that Annie will live on in many more gardens ! :)

Slum, put ALM in a 2 gal pot and grow her up 6 months or a year before you put her in the ground to be on the safe side. This is a great rose that you should treasure.

Sheila, yes I definitely will. In fact I usually grow my bands at least a couple of years, up to the 5-gallon size, before putting them in the ground.

My ALMdD is gorgeous. It is grafted onto Pink Clouds and thriving in my yard. In fact I just deadheaded it in advance of the atmospheric river headed our way a few days ago. Despite the fact that it is grafted, I faithfully disbudded it for a good 3-4 years before I let it bloom. I am well rewarded for delaying gratification that way.

I have often wondered whether I would ever be able to replace it if I moved. It is definitely too big to transplant successfully.

Thank you again, Kim.

You're welcome! I'm delighted you had patience so you can enjoy it as it should be now. Oh, if you had to leave it behind, we'd figure out how to get you a suitable replacement!

Thanks, Kim. No such plans at present, but one day this place will be too big for us. Once travel becomes possible again, I'd love you to see it growing in its setting.

And after our conversation a couple of days ago I went out and did a nice pruning job on ALMcD. I wanted to show off its lovely structure. How I do enjoy this rose!

You're welcome. Thank you! I'm delighted you have been enjoying it. That was the desire when I brought it for you.

If anyone is still looking for one, I was browsing the A Reverence for Roses website and saw it in stock: https://www.areverenceforroses.com/product-p/annie-laurie-mcdowell.htm.

How wonderful, Mara!

Bumping up this thread. Thanks, Mara. I know a number of gardeners are looking for ALM. Mine is own root and still very young, but already I’m in awe! (Making myself remove buds….) Carol

Disbudding is SO important. Difficult though it is, I did it for 4 years and have been amply rewarded.

Ugh. Mine looks dead. Sigh.

Oh no Tina ! What happened ? I’m sorry to hear that .

I received a fragrant masterpiece from heirloom that has a black stem creeping along at the very base . I’m afraid it’s going to die as well . Such a bummer.😩

Jen, i don’t know! I potted it up just like Pam said to, gave it morning sun and water but it looks dead. I was so excited to get it too😭

That’s frustrating about Fragrant Masterpiece. Especially since it sounds like Heirloom isn’t honoring their warranty. I was worried Covid might affect how nurseries honor their warranties. Don’t you think with more new gardeners more plants are failing and there is probably lot of people wanting reimbursement?

You may be right tina . Now I should have clairified that I am waiting to even get a response so they technically have not said they won’t honor it .. but I’m sure covid has somehow made it hard on them too.

I ordered lady Jane grey and they sent me lady of the mist ( a rose I already grew and hated so recognized immediately) and the lady said , let it bloom more to see if it looks like lady Jane next time ? I don’t know . I’m not buying it but I am waiting bc it was $40 .

I do have Annie and should I have any luck rooting it next year I’ll save it for you . Mine came the same time as yours . It is terrifying having a fragile rose in my care. Lol I feel like if I look at it wrong that could kill it .

Yeah, I feel the same way! i think i will pass on ALM in the future. It is no fun to be so stressed about a plant. I garden to relax not give myself an ulcer!

How is your cutting project going?

ALM here is not fragile. I never did disbud my two. You just got an unlucky break, oursteelers. This rose really does not need fussing.

I have a wonderful Jesse Hildreth, (Tea) that is my #3 here. The first one frost/thawed to death. #2 I watered with root stim after planting and that killed it. By #3 I was nervous but it really took off and is trouble free.

My ALM came from Rose petals nursery, I didn't think the plant would survive. It was extremely tiny with very thin stems and some of them turning black..which left 1 and 1/2 twig after I pruned off the blackening stems. I was afraid to repot, so I left her in the pot she came in, kept her in shade with a little morning sun. She got fish fertilizer and some fermented banana juice(i think this pulled her from the brim)..I stopped looking at her to check for new growth as I didn't want her to feel pressured.. I am SO happy to report, she is going to make it. So now after about 6 months, she has new branches and lots of new leaves. More importantly she looks robust. Last week, I saw 2 tiny flowers and a few more buds..I removed the flowers and the buds..the fragrance is so amazing...Thank you @roseseek, I followed your suggestions to help ALM grow.

Congratulations, @purilisaVA-zone7B! I'm glad what you did for the plant worked! I know you will enjoy the rose.

Purilisa, your ALM looks great! Congratulations!! Banana juice: I am researching this now…. :-)

Kim, do you think that eventually, when my own root ALM is more mature, I can keep her on a typical steel or iron rose arch? I know she can really take off and reach great lengths in CA!

Carol

As long as the roots like the soil and water you have and the plant gets enough resources to push it to the size you want it to be, you should be able to, Carol. Kippy the Hippy in Santa Barbara has an own root ALmD and it spreads about 6' - 8' by 4' of so with shoots to over 5' high. She grows it free standing in a bed off her back door in a courtyard created by the house, her canning room and her studio. She had it growing a few feet away and decided she wanted to move it to make room for more patio area. It's very hot there and she waters rather heavily. I think hers suffers from the heat level there.

Thank you, Kim! I have 3 spots reserved where I can let ALM grow as much as she will and where I can enjoy her amazing fragrance. I was thinking that putting her on an arch would really give the scented blooms room to tumble and the thornless canes would be a plus. I can always grow something up the other side…like my newly acquired Jeri Jennings. My ALM is still a young thing, so I am just planning ahead like I do for all my children. It sounds like Kippy’s ALM is well placed for smelling the blooms, but temps may be higher in her Santa Barbara courtyard. With the way Global Warming is playing out so far in Portland, all bets are off here, too. I miss Kippy’s posts. I hope she is well and wonderful! Carol

Thank you! I will give her your regards! We see each other every few months and we're the grateful beneficiaries of her home grown, over abundance of organic citrus! I had forgotten just how GOOD tree ripened white grapefruit, tangerines and blood oranges were!

@roseseek Thank you! I already love the fragrance, and it being thornless is a huge bonus. I only know 2 thornless climbers, ALM and crepuscle.. I am going to keep her potted for now, as I might move soon. She's definitely coming with me:)

@portlandmysteryrose Thank you! I got 2 more plants along with ALM, like dr Grill , mons Tiller etc, They didn't receive the care ALM got and are hence smaller than ALM. So I attribute ALM putting out growth spurts to Banana + fish juice. I think i found the banana idea through one of the rose groups. I blend up an over ripened banana, mix it with water and leave it outside with a cheese cloth cover. It will fermented in a day and continue fermenting...I dilute it 1:10 for foliar spray and about 50:50 ratio to water with it.

@purilisaVA-zone7B you're welcome! Don't forget Renae, ALmD's parent. It is also wonderfully shade tolerant, continuous-flowering, remarkably well scented and a gorgeous thing. Renae was the sister of the man in Visalia who owned the drug store. She passed from cancer in the early forties. Mr. Moore named the rose to memorialize her. ALmD inherited her slow-to-start from Renae as well as her lack of prickles, tolerance for shade and delicious scent. Another of Mr. Moore's marvels without prickles is Climbing Yellow Sweetheart. It's also remarkably well scented and a gorgeous thing. Its remarkable story is presented on HMF, written by the late and continuously missed, Jim Delahanty (jimofshermanoaks) and me: "What Was Lost is Found". The rose can be found here. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.23069 Our article, documenting the resurrection of this desirable rose is here. https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=66.587 

Thank you, Purilisa! I copied your instructions and will keep them handy for roses that need a boost. Carol