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120" x 72" (10 x 6') kitchen island, big but perfect! Countertop?

6 years ago

After multiple, local professionals weighed in on our kitchen/mudroom/pantry/fam rm design (cha-ching!), we've settled on this design (see picture, ignore ugly white side-door, it's going to become a window). Perimeter wall on LEFT will be refrig, cabinets, range etc. My kitchen space is 17 feet long by 16 1/2 feet wide. I wanted a big island. The architect designed it as 11'x6' and I scaled it back to 10'x6'. There is a HUGE main sink in it (36" by 22"), the rest will be used for food prep, seating area for 4 stools on the window-side, arts & crafts, there's a niche for dog food bowls at one end, and we'll use this big island to serve a buffet during the Super Bowl of course! The length of the island will be centered under the vaulted ceiling and run down towards the new 4 panel black doors (slightly covered by leaning dry wall at the moment but fabulous view out the back).


Even though I've done months of reading about kitchen remodels, I discovered too late that there are very few countertop options for an island this size without resorting to the use of a dreaded SEAM! I'm looking for JUMBO SLABS, in either marble or quartz, but never granite, been there done that, tired of it. The countertop aesthetic I hope to achieve is WHITE background with light to moderate grey veining (like white carrara); beige veins would be a huge plus if I could find it because my island base will be rift-sawn limed white oak!!! I've looked at many options, but am curious to hear Houzz users' recommendations. So tell me your idea for a fantastic looking variety of a super Jumbo slab, marble or quartz, for my countertops.


THANK YOU IN ADVANCE for your valuable insight! Y'all are lovely and selfless and kind to offer 5 minutes of your time. Hugs & cheers to you!



PERIMETER WALL (Refrig on left, slide-in range in middle, secret door to mudroom on right):


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Comments (39)

  • PRO
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Your design is larger than any Jumbo stone. It requires a seam. Or splitting it into different materials, with a seam. It will also be difficult to reach the center to clean. I suggest that you adjust the design. Cut at least 12”off of the length and width both. Now it will fit a jumbo slab of stone, and still be very large. It’s also going to need re-engineering for counter supports.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    You're going to need a seam anyways with that size island, which IMO is WAY TOO BIG. How are you going to clean it? Also, is your sink and stove going to be directly opposite one another? You should have them adjacent.


    Scale the island down some more. You didn't even post aisle widths. But for stone you need to go to a local yard and SEE IT IN PERSON and select the EXACT slab that will go into your kitchen.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Any island bigger than a hall bathroom is just conspicuous consumption run amok. It’s too big. So is the 250K kitchen surrounding it.

    Someone who doesn’t design or cook drew all of that. It’s not physically possible to do much of it due to material tolerances and building code. 8” of clearance from a range won’t pass inspection for even an all metal hood. For a wood one? That’s called kindling for a giant fire. Stone counters don’t float either. Among the many other issues.

    Start over completely with an actual Kitchen Designer.

  • 6 years ago

    If you draw your kitchen on graph paper, giving all measurements, you will get more responsive suggestions. You should have at least 42” aisles between the island and any cabinets, counters and appliances.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    That’s a standard sized kitchen sink.


    There is no slab of stone big enough to cover the island.


    The island is too large.


    The design has other issues that should be resolved.


    It is really surprising that any professionals were associated with that design. There are too many spatial end engineering issues.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Too big for no real purpose and IMO your space with proper 48’ walkways can’t handle an island that large and BTW architects are in most cases bad kitchen designers so get a real KD.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    if You want a nearly invisible seam, take a look at white Corian. Here’s my corner seam




    As others said, you should post your kitchen design for review, the opinions here are really helpful(and very blunt). The design sketched in for the range hood won’t work, the concept of having the hood wider than the range is great, but you’ll need more than 48” between the upper cabinets to make it happen. Good luck with your reno!

  • 6 years ago

    My island was purposely designed around the largest slab of Taj Mahal quartzite I could find so I didn’t have to have a seam. It is 118x58. I love it. I wouldn’t want it any wider than the 58 because then it would have dead space in the middle that is hard to clean.

  • 6 years ago

    Your island is nearly as large as my entire kitchen. The earth's resources are finite. Maybe it's time to start building houses that consider this.

  • 6 years ago

    I'll skip the "conspicuous consumption" debate and simply ask whether and why the OP needs/wants an island that big, since it doesnt actually seem all that functional, or, to my eye, attractive. Perhaps a rethink that combines needs with practicality might produce a more human-sized and aesthetic result.

  • 6 years ago

    OK, now that I got that off my chest.... I think most of us are concerned this island is just too physically big. Set up sawhorses and plywood to mimic your island size. Mark the floors around it with masking tape, noting where the cooktop, the sink, the oven, etc. are going to be. Walk around and pretend cook in this kitchen. Pretend-putting groceries away, getting a glass of water, washing dishes, cooking a whole meal, getting a snack, etc. Is the island in your way? Can you reach to the middle to clean it? Does it make cooking easier or more difficult? Only you and the other cooks in your family can answer that. As far as counter material, find a really great fabricator and let him seam it after many discussions as to your expectations and his ability.

    Ashley Rogers thanked remodeling1840
  • 5 years ago

    This one is a smidge over 5x7 and will have 2 barstools on each side in the middle. If your space can handle it...go big! I wish I could’ve had my island a bit longer, 9 feet would’ve been awesome, 8 feet certainly more useful. The width looks grand, your 6’ will look amazing. It will be tough to clean the middle if you’re not tall. If your room can accommodate the size and especially if you have more of an open concept, it will look stunning. I’ve been in a few larger homes with HUGE islands and I’ve been a little jelly. The key was that the space could easily accommodate the huge island. Good luck, wishing you the best!

    Ashley Rogers thanked Lidia
  • 5 years ago

    If you want a large island and have the space, go for it! When I built my home last year, I made sure that my island was as big as possible. I found a gorgeous piece of quartzite and built the island as big as that piece would allow. It's 10 1/2 x 5 1/2 ft.

    I wouldn't change it for anything. I've hosted buffets for 30, baked lots of cookies and eat almost every meal there. If it gives YOU joy to have a big island, don't let anyone change your mind. You will take more steps at times, but if you lay your kitchen out carefully, it all works.

    Ashley Rogers thanked jandsmom
  • 5 years ago

    Have you looked at quartzite options? There are several white varieties; ours is Mont Blanc. Our island is roughly 10' 6" by 4' 3" and we have no seam... I can't recall how much wider we could have gone over 4', but I know we were maxed out on length. As others have suggested, you might need to downsize a little if you're hoping for a seamless top. Good luck!

    Ashley Rogers thanked T B
  • 5 years ago

    Jandsmom, we have very similar taste in kitchens! I love my big island. The cooking triangle is all on one side so the walking around it is a non-issue- and no different than when it was a galley kitchen and you had to walk just as far to exit the kitchen.

    Ashley Rogers thanked Susan Murin
  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    I just did a kitchen with a 60x 168 inch island . Yes it has a seam at sink. It is quite invisible in " American Soapstone" which is a granite,

    I told her if larger than this, "you need a catering truck in the driveway" . The kitchen routinely feeding forty on a weekend is appliance heavy, major pantry laden unseen and the two bars at far end, ( one coffee, one wine plus additional cooling in another pantry behind cook wall.

    I would scale back a bit. The depth at 72 is far more problematic than the length Lose the complicated shape for a simpler rectangle, and get a real KD. Drawers on your prep wall are too small./numerous......and too busy looking relative to a 48 inch range.


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    Ashley Rogers thanked JAN MOYER
  • 5 years ago

    I would cut the wings off the end with seating, so you could have all seating on that side

  • 5 years ago

    I mean on the side with seating... keep it simple

  • 5 years ago

    One note on drawer sizes: plan your drawers to relate to the sizes and shapes of the things you plan to put into the drawers. Bigger items in deeper bottom drawers, small utensils like spatulas and whisks in shallow drawers, hand mixer in a medium-depth drawer, etcetera. Banks of four drawers with the bottom drawer being deep and the other three being shallower may give you better storage. Drawers for heavier and larger items should have full-extension heavy-duty hardware for ease of motion.
    Island shape: it looks interesting seen from above, but who is that tall? A simpler shape with fewer hip-banging corners will be much less expensive to have built and will allow space to stow stools under the overhang. If the overhang needs more support (people tend to lean on them), just use sturdy support brackets.

    Ashley Rogers thanked felizlady
  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @Bloomingbug I just did a kitchen using natural 100% quartzite. I had the same feeling you expressed above and paused before I bought it. I struggled with whether or not we have the right to put these natural stones in our homes because as you said, limited resources. I was torn between using natural materials or manmade fake stuff. I hate the fake stuff.


    As consumers we often use hardwood flooring and stone counters and wood cabinets as alternatives to other materials.


    I consulted a few people I know including the most liberal person I know who is extremely conscientious about this topic. He assured me that in his opinion, it's fine to proceed with a natural stone product and didn't consider this use a threat.


    Another made an extremely strong support statement because alternatives are made with plastics and that's far worse.


    While I appreciate your point of view about the indulgent consideration of the size and scale of our consumption, I feel we can proceed with nature's options as long as we are not slaves to trends and toss things out when we don't like the way they look when the next thing comes in.





    Ashley Rogers thanked jillybean103
  • 5 years ago

    Have you considered 2 islands instead of 1 giant island? Would be more practical for getting from one side of the room to the other plus you will have endless countertop options.

  • 4 years ago

    @ashleyrogers what did you end up going with? I am looking for a 10x6 slab myself...

  • 2 years ago

    @JAN MOYER - Do you happen to have any other photos of that kitchen? I'm also considering a 14x6 island. Beautiful work!

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    It ISN'T six feet wide. It's five feet/ exactly 60 inches, and yes it has a seam....imperceptible here, or in person.


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    It's simply part of a large open space. Which had other iterations prior, before I met the client and fixed a few: ) and made the best of some which couldn't be fixed. Such as windows and off center fire.


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  • 2 years ago

    @JAN MOYER - Thanks for the quick reply. I see I misread your initial post.

    Mind if I ask your opinion on a 14x6 island? Have you ever designed one that size? I’d plan to seat 2 on either short end and 5 on the long end, for a total of 9 seats. We have more than that many people over almost every night (5 kids, 2 parents, 4 grandparents), so I know we’d make use of a large island, but I don’t want it to look ridiculous.

    One other note - we’ll have our 48” range in the center of the island.

    Also, we have an open floor plan with the kitchen (20x25) open to the great room (24x30). The island seems to look proportionate to the space, at least in length.

  • PRO
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    At six feet wide? Forget it! Even granite won't allow that width, and IF it did, you'd need a stool and a steam cleaner to reach the middle.

    Show the entire kitchen layout. But that is just too wide.

    In fact? Show the entire living floor, while you're at it. With all the dimensions.

  • 2 years ago

    @JAN MOYER We would do quartz with a seam in the middle. The seams are hardly noticeable and dont bother me. I also can reach comfortably 3’ over a 36” countertop, so I wasn’t thinking that cleaning would be an issue, but I’ll measure again.

  • 2 years ago

    Here’s a photo. The island shown here is 12x6. Extending it to 14x6 would allow it to be symmetrical with the sink and TV wall.


  • 2 years ago

    I think it’s quite messy to have the large cooktop in the island— of course in one respect that why you have to have so much surrounding island. I know there are folks who love island ranges though.

  • 2 years ago

    A continent bigger than a master bath with a giant fire breathing dragon in the middle? Nope nope nope. Way too many bad ideas in a single collection.

  • 2 years ago

    @marmiegard_z7b I've found that for our family, the real mess is at the sink area. With 5 kids and one messy husband, it's amazing how the dirty dishes pile up throughout the day!

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Reading between the lines, it sounds like the cabinets have already been ordered. Shame on the designer who did not advise you better. The only option that would give an almost invisible seam would be Corian. The jumbo slabs are generally 63-65" x 120 - 130" give or take. You also have to consider the extra that gets cut off when finishing the edges so you need to add at least 6 " to each dimension of you top.

    Go back to the fabricator and see if they have photos or representations of the seams they do and go from there

    Good luck


  • 2 years ago

    @Debbi Washburn Thanks for the comment. As I mentioned, I don't really care about having seams - I'm more interested in getting the island size right for our very large family. Function is everything for me. Nothing is ordered, including cabinets.

  • PRO
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    So sorry - I did not realize this was a post from 3 years ago! I was looking at what the OP had said. It's been one of those days!

    I don't believe you need to line up the island to the tv wall . It is not a connection that will be made in the room once all of furnishings are in.

    It is important to have proper walkways and clearances especially if you plan to keep that huge stove on the island. Have you considered how you are venting that?

    If a seam is not a concern, then book matched slabs will be good for you to consider. That would put a seam at the center and the pattern will go each direction so your depth would be max 60" but then you can go wider to the 12 ft or 14 ft range.

    Have you had a designer do a layout for you yet? The plan didn't have dimensions on it but you have a pantry bigger than a lot of peoples main kitchens and then a huge kitchen. I think I would move the ref/freezer over towards the pantry more ( plus they are more convenient ) and then do a nice coffee/bev bar to the left so that doesn't become a massive wall of cabinetry.

    There are a lot of options for this space

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    There is NO fabricator who will guarantee a seam that long, that even approaches "barely noticeable". You don't care? You will I guarantee.

    Get use to the idea of Corian ( Dupont original, not quartz ) if you cling to this very bad idea. Along with another bad idea, which is cook top on that island.

    Show the entire living floor, and the dimensions and the kitchen within that living floor.

  • 2 years ago

    @Debbi Washburn - Thank you for your helpful ideas. I appreciate your time. I haven't given much thought to the cabinet layout yet (the 24" countertops drawn in the picture is just a placeholder and doesn't mean anything). As you mentioned, a solid wall of cabinetry on the near wall would not be ideal. I was thinking of potentially splitting the refrigerator and freezer columns, allowing for countertop space in between them for a coffee bar and other appliances. I agree with you that the refrigerator ought to be closer to the pantry for convenience.


    You also noticed our large pantry. That space is still a work in progress as well. We go through a ridiculous amount of food with 11 people in the house, so I know I'll appreciate the space, but I want to give more thought as to how to use the space efficiently.


    You're right. Lots of options. I've been having so much fun with this process (:

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    11 people! Wow that must be fun. I would suggest starting your own thread when you are ready to really dig in so folks aren't confusing the OP pictures and plans with yours.

    Hang in there - just go step by step and surround yourself with quality people!