It seems like a better location for seating. What area is adjacent that might have 90-degree corners?

What do you want in your new kitchen and what can you ditch? 2 dishwashers, 2 sinks, a huge pantry, lots of cupboards. Is there one of these things you can live without? How many people will gather around the island? Will you also eat meals at the island?

The build itself is the problem, not just the kitchen.. Post the ENTIRE first floor house plan. Flat and clearly read : )

Yes please to the floor plan. This right now is a hot mess so I get why you want change but all those weird angles will be an issue for sure and knowing how the space relates to the rest of the house is very important.

Can you square off the island without taking too much space away from the family room? Move the fridge to the pantry wall, then put a prep sink on the peninsula, with or without the second DW. The range would go on the solid wall across the room. This is quick and dirty:

ETA, if you need more space for a range, maybe sacrifice the small window to the right.

You could also move the peninsula toward the center of the kitchen, to close the gap between it and the range a bit more, and line up the back with the wall to the left:

Yes..yes..post the entire first floor plan so we can see how the spaces relate to each other. Measurements must be legible. All those silly angles require a top-notch installer to make the cabinets meet correctly, and all those silly angles make designing the counters very complex and expensive.

nessyquinchebrings up some good questions! What do you currently use and what don't you? This will help determine first what you need, so a more functional layout can be determined.

felizlady, the plan she posted is what her current kitchen is now.

So those silly angles are already installed. The pantry takes up the only straight run in the current kitchen.

I think mama goose is on the right track by taking out the peninsula angle and relocating the stove and fridge.

I agree with Mama goose's suggestion. I don't think there is any ways to get you an island without creating the same problems you have now. Something you could do if this is a complete remodel with custom cabinets is build your cabinets deeper than normal throughout your entire kitchen (with the exception of the fridge wall as suggested by mama goose) This would give you more counter space and would also keep the walking distance to a minimum, I would suggest maybe 30" deep instead of 24" deep.

I use both dishwashers, one sink, the range, I don’t use the warming drawer often. I want a slightly larger fridge. I’ll see if I can find the first level floor plan.

There is a whole dining room above the fridge that feels so isolated we don’t use it.

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Voila! All I could find was a floor level survey.

Also here’s the actual kitchen now.

If you wanted to open up the wall between the kitchen and dining room, you could frame in a solid wall in the middle of the bay, and relocate the range there, or put it in front of the window and re-use your island hood.

I love your advice mama goose! for the last design, what’s the point of opening the wall to the dining room? Doesn’t that just give us less storage space? What if we completely opened it up and had an open floorplan dining/kitchen/family room. I’m wondering what’s possible without that wall.

Elena Remus

for the last design, what’s the point of opening the wall to the dining room?

There is a whole dining room above the fridge that feels so isolated we don’t use it.

You might consider moving the kitchen into the DR, and putting the dining table in the bay. I'm assuming that would be a bigger project with a bigger budget.

You don't have to " move the kitchen into the dining room".

Take that survey pic you posted, and mark in windows in dining room and actual wall dimensions . Do same for living room and family room...fireplace windows etc. IN INCHES. Then posit it. Do that please?

Otherwise, don't waste time here at all, get a BIG budget, and a kitchen designer at the site.From the looks of it, no expense was spared on a hideously inconvenient space, as always happens when an architect/ builder creates the prow on a ship effect in a kitchen.

Well said Jan. Right now there is no way to tackle this on this forum. Right no I would say get rid of that bay all together it is nothing except an hinderance to a good design

Is it necessary to call my kitchen or space “hideously inconvenient”? I still have it!

This might not be feasible, and as Jan and Patricia point out--not necessary--but I'll post a quick option. It makes the dining area more family-friendly; however, it puts the kitchen another room away from (what I assume is) the garage entry.

I also agree that you need an architect or designer on site for a project of this scope, but there's no reason you can't gather ideas here before seeing the pro's.

(((Elena's kitchen))) ;)

Im sorry I didn’t realize I don’t have a first level floorplan. It was never given to us when we moved in a year ago so consider this thread done.

Thank you mama goose! the garage is detached. A separate structure. I’m not worried about looking into the kitchen from dining room but doors could fix that. You’re very kind. We agree we’d never proceed without a planner and this project might not be in the cards for us this year. The post responses made that clear so thank you. Opening a floorplan isn’t within budget This year.

I live in the SF Bay Area where you’re lucky if you get your offer accepted on a MILLIONS of dollars home. You take what you can get AND records wont always be complete because of that.

Elena, please don't take offense. You stated in your OP that the kitchen layout is driving you nuts, and you suggested the open floor plan in a response to me.

You do not need an architect's drawing or floor plan! If, and when, you decide to follow up on this project, please come back for more discussion--just take a deep breath and 'gird your loins.' And draw out the floor plan, on a graph, with measurements of all walls, windows, architectural details, and floor space. Include the whole house pic you posted here. Good luck!