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I am wondering if this crown looks too traditional?

6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago

Hello..I recently had cabinets built by an Amish cabinet maker. I am in Ohio. The cabinets are solid and well made but my stain color is off

by about a shade or 2. I have been upset and do not feel like my cabinets look good with our floors. Also I told him about 4 times i did not want 3 inch crown because I feel it looks too traditional. Well my crown is 3 inches! He had installers so I havent talked to him yet. i wanted 2

inch molding.. something more squared. Our microwave cabinet is wrong. I really like the guy but I feel like he didn’t listen well to what we went over. He knew the stain was off but didnt notify me. He thought it was close enough therefore ok. Anyhow he sad he would build me new cabinets or take money off. my husband likes them so we are keeping them but I am struggling to get used to it. Also my husband really likes the black farmhouse sink which we can replace at this point and I was thinking about a stainless steel. Him and I dont agree on anything. I actually wanted white cabinets but decided on wood because I thought it seemed like a good idea! Now I am not real happy..I am hoping once we get countertops and backsplash in we can pull it together. Any suggestions on my situation and also countertop, sink and backsplash? thank you!!








Comments (47)

  • 6 years ago

    You are right the stain of the cabinets does not look good with the floor. I like the black sink. Are the floors wood. Could you darken them up?

  • 6 years ago

    The floors are LVP. We just had them installed before cabinets went in. I know. My heart is broken. i have been losing sleep over this. In this photo you can see the difference of my sample stain and my cabinets. The stain I chose was lighter and cooler. The caninets are warmer. He said the lot of wood he used was different than the wood he did my cabinets with which was a mistake.. what we agreed on looked nice with my floors. At least I thought so..



  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Gee I'm so sorry for your predicament. You're right, the floor and the cabinet colors do not work well together. And there's no good in beating yourself up over it by playing the woulda/shoulda/coulda game. Instead of replacing the cabinets, can you paint them? Dark green, gray or navy blue would work well with the floor. Just don't go too light--you want a contrast with the floor, don't try to match it.

    Also your crown molding is very simple--I don't see any problem with it.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    It appears that the crown doesn't return to the wall on the upper cabinet in your second picture.

  • 6 years ago

    I like the black sink with the cabinets very attractive and the crown also is a good complement to the style of the cabinets

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    I think the work is not finished, as the crown returns in the photo with the refrigerator and stove.

  • 6 years ago

    That's a pretty big difference in color -- I'd be upset too. Can he strip and restain all the faces? Or replace them? Otherwise, I'd put a large solid rug in front of the sink (like green) and try not to sweat it. What will your counters be like? If they're white or have a bit of gray, it may all come together. The combination of the busy fake floor with the visibile grain of the (real wood) cabinets was always going to be a bit much, but if your other finishes (counters, backsplash) are pretty simple, I think you could be happy with the result. The cabinets are gorgeous, so I'd be much more likely to change the floor (if it's not everywhere in the house) at this point.

  • 6 years ago

    You might try to change your lighting to something cooler. It may tone down the warmth of the cabinets enough to make the stain color acceptable.


  • PRO
    6 years ago

    The problem with changing light bulbs is that it will change the floor color as well. But it's an easy enough fix to try.

    I agree that the floor is a real issue, but I think it would be easier to paint the cabinets than to rip up the entire floor, especially if it's underneath the cabinets and appliances.

  • 6 years ago
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    I absolutely love your current cabinet color! I like it better than the sample, but I agree it doesn't look the best with the floor, but it is not terrible. Not sure what LVP you went with, but I know ours said not to put cabinets on top of it. I'd rather see the floor change color than painting the cabinets, however if painting cabinets is easier, I'd go that route. Best of luck, but I think the cabinets are gorgeous and maybe after backsplash and counters go in, you will find something that blends it all together. Perhaps a large rug on the floor? Also, I think the crown looks fine and goes well with the style of cabinet.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Ugh, so sorry! It's hard when things don't turn out the way we were envisioning, especially when it's due to human error/assumption.

    Now might be a good time to compromise with the husband, assuming he also doesn't like the cabinet color. Have them paint them white and keep the crown molding (since the husband likes it). Then, leave the sink decision up to him so he feels like he has a say in the matter. That will get you a kitchen closer to what you were originally hoping for anyway.

  • 6 years ago

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  • PRO
    6 years ago

    The crown is fine. Resolving the color clash requires voting something off the island. Does the floor go with the established color palette of the rest of your house? Do the cabinets go with the established color palette of the rest of the house. You have to analyze the big picture here.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I am sorry, but I have to echo Live_Wire_Oak’s post. Your cabinet finish is beautiful, and looks custom and done with great care in a way hardly seen any more in our mass-produced world. It’s your floors that are the problem; unnatural color and pattern, and will be difficult to go with anything you choose, it wouldn’t matter which stain the cabinets had.

    The crown of 2” or 3” makes no difference in whether the look is more traditional or not. You have an apron front sink and shaker doors which are classic traditional choices, so it is perplexing why you think a 1” difference in crown makes your kitchen more traditional. However, a 3” crown is preferred because it more easily and subtly makes up for ceiling unevenness.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    I think once the counters are in and backsplash and accessories it will look better but I do agree the floor and cabinets really do not work and I do not like the black sink at all it really right now does not connect to anything else in the space. The crown is okay it could have been simpler and definately needs to be finished . A much bigger issue for me is the lack of lowers drawers and the actual layout of the kitchen. BTW where is your DW. Husbands and wives are often at odds when it comes to design I encounter in my design business often and my comment to the husband that has opinions about kitchen design is “ you ever does the cooking has the last word”.

  • 6 years ago
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    What will your counters be? If you are trying to make your kitchen less traditional, then you should look at Quartz counters. Since the floor is so patterned, you will need to find a counter with as little pattern as possible, and Quartz has a number of choices like that. Avoid Quartz that has big chunky veins or busy-ness.

    I like the black sink a lot. I think it sets off your cabinets really beautifully, and coordinates in an elegant way with your knobs and pulls. A stainless apron front sink might be too monochromatic, not provide the interesting contrast with the wood. The crown is fine. I agree with the ones who say it's the floor that is the actual issue.

    Backsplash should be chosen absolutely last, after everything else is installed. Otherwise you will make a mistake with it.

  • 6 years ago


    dishwaher is off to the right. It will be under peninsula. It is staying in its original place. we didnt move it because of plumbing issues. Old house built in 1948..We knocked down a wall and opened up living room. Floors are already throughout the downstairs and wont get replaced because we JUST installed them. I have no idea how we would even go about something like that. Definitely cant afford to replace them now! Obviously my vision was off!! These are the floors in the light

    I do realize now that the floors are a hard matchup to anything.. they are so much grayer down than in samples we had. They are good quality shaw LVP but unfortunately I am stuck with them now. I am sure shaw won’t care they are different than I perceived. The floors have thrown my vision off for sure. My husband wants a black countertop That looks like soapstone Black Mist Leathered..which i really loved at first and i was going to do a matte white subway tile with black grout but... i feel like thats all a wash now. Thats the actual granite we have on hold..i told him if we keep things the way they are we have to change the granite. Thanks you everyone for helping out. So now what?


  • 6 years ago

    Oh and my husband LOVES the cabinets!

  • PRO
    6 years ago
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    I think you don’t change anything. You use some textiles like rugs and window treatments. And you pick a subtle counter that bridges the two. Not black.

    Buxton isn’t veiny. It’s a subtle swirl of taupe and gray and cream. Not busy. Continue that subtlety with wall color, back splash, and even ceiling. Choose different shades of taupe and warm gray, so that it all looks deliberate. I’d pull a light gray out of the floor for your ceiling. And a cream with hints of gray for the backsplash. And a greige for the walls. Then use some So nuke fabric prints for chairs and a Roman blind, etc. Tone on tone, blending the tailed and grays.





  • 6 years ago

    I like that. What material is it? I am not sure where to find it. I am in the Cleveland area

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    It’s Cambria Quartz. Their website has a dealer locator. Good luck!

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  • 6 years ago

    "Anyhow he sad he would build me new cabinets or take money off. my husband likes them so we are keeping them but I am struggling to get used to it.'"


    I hate to be harsh but IMO you will continue to struggle with it. Your husband might love the cabinets but you don't. I would explain this clearly to him. I have done numerous remodeling and decorating projects over my lifetime and in my experience when I've tried to make something work that has gone sideways, I find that I'm usually just throwing good money after bad. The stain appears uneven and splotchy to me. There is no way that I would put expensive countertops on top of something that I wasn't happy with. Now is the time to make your move when the cabinet maker is amenable to making new cabinets. I am sure that this was not an inexpensive endeavor and you don't want to have regrets. I'd take two steps back and get the new cabinets.

    Carla Semancik thanked wilson853
  • 6 years ago

    He did the cabinets on birch wood. The sample he gave me was not blotchy I would have noticed. He used a piece of birch he had for a while from another project to make my sample.. he then ordered the birch from his supplier which did not stain the same at all..

    Here is my sample next to my floor sample which i thought looked really nice together. And I thought a black countertop would look nice also. .the cabinets are much warmer and yellow. And the floors are way busier than I had pictured also.Yes my husband knows I am not happy but promised to paint the caninets in a few years ugh!. So we already agreed with the cabinet maker to take off 2 grand. He is not finished with our project yet.. we see him Wednesday. I may ask him to sign a written agreement with me that in a year or so he paints the cabinets at a discounted price. I like him but

    he did mess up I believe..

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Wow your samples do look really nice--a very pretty coastal look. Again, so sorry for you.

    Carla Semancik thanked Diana Bier Interiors, LLC
  • 6 years ago

    Take the 2K he offered, add some more, and replace the floors. It’s the far bigger mistake. With new floors, the cabinets will be fine. They’re better than the sample. More versatile. The floor is the most limiting, and will be the thing you regret the most.

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  • 6 years ago

    Yes I have been very down. If I replace the floors I have no idea what direction to go and on top of it they are brand new.. i guess we could always pit them in the upstairs..IDK

  • 6 years ago

    Any floor suggestions? Maybe our cabinet maker can do floors for us! Lol

  • 6 years ago

    Plain medium Neutral brown.

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  • 6 years ago

    also i really dont think i have lack of drawer space.Two of my cabinets have pull outs


  • PRO
    6 years ago
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    Your cabinets are beautiful! I hope you are growing to love them. They really look special and well made. The crown is just right for this space as well. I have to agree with others that the odd man out here is the floor selection. Without worrying too much about a perfect match, I'd instead focus on choosing something that looks like a real color. There are some white oak options that are very pretty. Your husband's choice of soapstone countertops will be beautiful. I would opt for a simple blacksplash - white ceramic subway tile with coordinating grout, or a simple marble subway tile. The contrasting grout look is already a bit dated IMO!


    Conversely, you could keep the floors (get a pretty rug) and paint the cabinets white.



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  • PRO
    6 years ago

    I am so glad I'm not in the cabinet business. I ate a built in 20 years ago despite having a signed approved sample from the customer that matched perfectly.

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  • 6 years ago
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    While I agree that your floors are going to be difficult to coordinate with other decor, I do not agree that you need to change them. I love your cabinets, they are great. Love the sink too. You said you are down, and I don't blame you. It's a lot to deal with on top of everything else going on in the world. Also, because people on this forum are kitchen-obsessed (as am I, that is why we hang out here), they want everything to be perfect; moreso than the average person would care. Ripping up brand new floors - I wonder how willing everyone would be to do that if it were their kitchen?

    Real life is that things are often not perfect. Your floors are not that bad - two kitchens ago I did an entire reno but left the original fairly ugly floors because of budget and analysis paralysis. Guess what - people were so bowled over by how the kitchen looked (the "before" was beyond dismal), no one noticed the floors. And I didn't either after a while. You tend to relax a bit after the kitchen is in, and you are living with it. Put some rugs down (the Ruggables brand is good for kitchens cause they're washable), and colorful accessories like a ceramic holder for spatulas and the like, a colorful bowl for ripening fruit, and so on.

    I think The Cook's Kitchen is on the right track by saying leave it be. However, I do not agree with her advice "Choose different shades of taupe and warm gray, so that it all looks deliberate. I’d pull a light gray out of the floor for your ceiling. And a cream with hints of gray for the backsplash. And a greige for the walls." Your floors are providing gray enough, you don't need even one bit more. I think your counter should be a contrast, whether one of those mod Quartz pure whites, or the black that your husband likes. No pattern though in the counter, so I'm afraid not that swirly Black Mist you pictured - too much pattern in that to combine with the floors. And the wall paint and backsplash are determined last when you can see what is needed.

    Have you thought about hiring an interior designer just for a color consultation? For that, you pay them by the hour, and it may help you with enlivening the kitchen.

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  • 6 years ago
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    Well.. i can do a plain black counter top. I think that would be ok. Maybe for the designer but we are on a tight budget. There is a leathered black pearl thats nice. I was told to stay away from honed but i do love the matte finish. I guess leathered would be better..I am going to look at countertops tomorrow.. there are a few places open believe it or not.. i do agree that it cannot be busy. So if i do a plain black counter top and just a white subway tile i am thinking it MIGHT work.. i really love the look of this ceramic field tile but i know I most likely cannot pull it off. Really love it though!


  • 6 years ago

    countertops going in 2 weeks from now. I found this incognito leathered yesterday so we will def. do the black. I will post photos when project is done for some input. Thank you everyone. I mean it! ❤️


  • 6 years ago

    I like the black sink with the cabinets very attractive and the crown also is a good complement to the style of the cabinets

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  • 6 years ago

    My countertops went in today. You can’t see it in my photo but there is light veining. it looks like soapstone but 2000 dollars less.I really was just in this place where I wanted to get it over with. Only 1 place was open and I picked this incognito leathered. So thats that! What do you think? Now I have to concentrate on backsplash. any suggestions?



  • 6 years ago

    @Carla Semancik - the new counters look great!! But, more importantly - do YOU like them?

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Very nice!!

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  • 6 years ago

    Those are beautiful! I love the leathered look and wish I had done that when I did my kitchen. I think a plain, soft white tile with matching grout would look best in your situation. IMO you don't want to introduce more pattern or contrast into this kitchen using a permanent source. After those main elements are in, then add color and interest with changeable accessories. It really is looking good so far!

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  • 6 years ago

    I like the countertops they are very cool. You cannot see the veining from far away but up close you can see it all..I am steering towards this tile for backsplash. it has a sheen I thought it might brighten things up and use a light grey grout?



  • PRO
    6 years ago

    I think it's a really nice choice. It does not look like a rectified tile, so the grout lines could be fairly wide and very obvious. Find out from your tile setter what size grout lines he would recommend. If they need to be wide, then a contrasting grout is not going to look good, and I would go with a grout the same color as the tile.

    Carla Semancik thanked Diana Bier Interiors, LLC
  • 5 years ago

    Hello..I am back again. Our project is still not finished. Backsplash is up.. the grout is light grey. My cabinet maker is having too much trouble getting the stain right on a few of the remaining doors. I think we are just going to paint the cabinets white. The last couple of doors came back blotchy and I have given up on it! Here is a picture of the blotchy door and backsplash. So i guess we will do cabinets white after all. My trim has all been freshly painted in a white semi gloss. Is it ok if my cabinet paint is a different white? Everything I read said cabinets and trim should match? Not really feeling like repainting all the trim..thanks for any input♥️



  • PRO
    5 years ago

    It would be nice if your trim matched your cabinets, but frankly, not the end of the world if they don't. What color is your trim? My cabinets are SW Frosty White, and the trim is BM Snowfall White, and it looks fine.

  • 5 years ago

    My trim is a lowes hgtv color by Sw. it is called bohemian lace

  • 5 years ago

    SW Pearly White might be a good choice for your cabinets.


    My trim is whiter than my cabinets. It works.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    I'm not conversant in SW colors. Maybe Lori Sawaya can weigh in.