Sorry if I misunderstand your question, but propagating can only yield the same type of Sans as the parent.

It may look different, say if it was variegated, many will have pups reverted to green except those said to be true (don't revert), like Bantel's Sensation & Lillian True.

Hi Karen,

Sayuri is variegated so I assumed that Sayuri is the cultivar name and not the species name. I find that growers are tending to label plants with just the genus name and the cultivar name. If it reverted, what is it reverting back to?

It looks like a copy of S.metallica 'Siam Silver' - so I guess that cuttings will revert to S.metallica. I wonder if Sayuri is just a new good-for-selling name for an old and well-known cultivar?

Sansevieria 'Sayuri' is a hybrid so that's why no species name is provided (often more than just a couple of species involved). And if you do leaf cuttings, you will get an exact clone of the mother plant....it will look exactly like the plant you took the cutting from. That (and tissue culture) are the way hybrid plants are propagated.

I just wanted to write to you all - enjoyed the comments, if not exactly following a lot of it. I need more Sans (I don't have any).

What??? No Sans Jeff, how is this possible? Norma is looking down on you (teasingly) saying tsk, tsk.

Perhaps after lockdown eases further, we'll have to do something about that.

Well Russ, this is why I HATE all the naming nonsense. This handsome variegated Sans came from Stush, who'd been told it was Siam Silver. This same gorgeous green & white stripe introduced me to the rust disease, to which I say GRRRRRRR.

It has rust scars & I put a lot of cinnamon on it when removing the infected leaf above. But I'm happy to say the plant continues.

Sorry Jay if this veers somewhat off topic.

For some time I though that Sayuri was just a name change again. Found out that it is cultivar or sport of Sansevieria aubrytiana. Not anything to do with S. hyacinthoides (guineensis). They grow more like S. trifasciata. Having more than 3 leaves to a node. I was given 'Yellowstone' and 'Lauran' which is in the aubrytiana family. To me anyway, seems to be a nicer and hardier plant. I am now looking for a Sayuri to replace my Siam Silver with. I am in no hurry since I have more plants than house come winter.

Jeff, I have shipped to Canada with no problems so far. Maybe next year?

To contradict myself, I did get a odd rhizome from my Siam Silver which grew light green leaves and has so far 6 leaves to a node so I can't explain it.

A clone is a clone exactly like the Mother if you go with seed then its different

Mike, Depends on how you clone Sansevieria. If leaf cutting rooted then new pups it will revert to species not cultivar if applied. If by root rhizome then it is possible to produce new cultivars form it.

I have been researching this for a few days. I've seen some references that its base form is D. Aubrytiana (maybe longiflora, time will tell) but I have one and can confirm that is not true. I rooted some leaf cuttings of my "Sayuri" some time back and the plant that has come out is identical in habit but the coloration is largely just green with quite subtle lighter zebra banding.

As you'll see in the photo below there are the two original leaf cuttings but all the rhizomatic offsets are reverted to some base form. I have this same experiment going on with some other miscellaneous hybrids. I honestly am wondering if there is a chemical method to produce some of these hybrid variegations. I know in some other species of plants certain horomones can induce mutations or so the wives tales go regarding some of the old marijuana hybrids out there.

The base species is metallica, old name guineensis. It is not aubrytiana, which has much brighter mottling than the plants you've obtained by propagating a leaf of so-called Sayuri. See my old post in this thread from a few years ago.

Variegated plants can be had by exposing sans to radiation, also chemicals which I understand can cause cancer so I wouldn't fool with them. I believe the great Juan Chahinian created variegates using one of these methods earlier in his career.

Russ

Central Florida

Binko, what other sans variety or hybrid leaves have you planted to see what arises? The rule is that all species and hybrids will propagate true from leaf cuttings. Varieties revert back to the base species unless a variegated leaf produces a plant from variegated tissue, which will usually be an albino of the same species. I’ve heard of variegates arising from a variegated leaf but it’s an extremely rare event. If I find a broken leaf on any sans I usually stick it in a nearby pot on the outside chance something different might be produced.

Decades ago i received a a highly variegated sans that I knew was misnamed, but I suspected it was either trifasciata Craigii or metallica variegata, both of which are very similar if not impossible to tell apart. I planted a leaf to see which species would be produced and it turned out to be metallica, or in those days guineensis, rather than trifasciata. So I was able to ID it that way.

Russ

Russ, So good to hear from you my friend. Hope all is well with you. I have been depressed and losing all interest in most of my collection. Anything you are looking for? I want to reduce to almost down to maybe 10 plants.

Most variegation comes into being from 'Sports' which produce from an off set from a mostly old growing plant. The overseas hybrids are coming out form chemical doping of cut leaves. I saw a paper on this subject some time ago. So many Thie hybrids are coming out with no history of what base plants it came from. Unknow if the variegation will remain in upcoming rhizome pups. I know I purchased some Aloe hybrids variegated and later pups were all green.

Hey Stush, I’m glad to see you’re still on sans-watch here. I don’t post much but do try to answer questions when they come to my email. I’d be happy to take any sans overages you have, common or rare. My collection has dwindled over the last few years so replacements or anything new would be welcome. I insist on at least paying postage but I don't have the slightest problem if you want to assign a price to them. I know you grow quality plants, better than me for sure. If I have any that you could use, let me know. I still have many that you have sent in the past, including some of the mini aloes.

Russ

Hi Stush, Russ,

Thanks for taking the time to clear things up.

I had started a series about the same time as the Sayuri but ended up giving them all away during a move. I started again recently and took a handful of leaf cuttings. Right now a Bantel's Sensation, variegated masoniana, Kirkii Silver, Fernwood Mikado, and a Concinna x Sudwalla hybrid. In the last case, the leaves are on the tender side and they were broken during planting as I received it bare root a month ago. The cuttings appear to have taken and now it's just the wating game.

I dont expect anything that odd from most of them, I think at best, loss of variegation on the masoniana and Bantel. But that just means two more varieties that should grow a little more vigorously than the variegated mothers.

Regarding the identification of the base form of that Sayuri, unvariegated forms of S. guineensis" seem to be pretty close to what I have coming out of that pot. I think any other differences can be chalked up to sunlight, soil, and weather. My plants stay indoors.

On a tangent, the original Sayuri mother and a short leaf trifasciata are in bloom right now, one in a east window, and one in a west, so here's to hoping all the manual pollination yields something. Even if the base species themselves are relatively unremarkable, it's fun to try my hand at hybridization.

Best wishes Stush, depression is rough and all I can say is keep on keeping on. Remember the good times and fight through the bad.

Regarding your variegated masoniana, you might know that depending on which vatiegation-type you have, some are not stable and can produce new offsets that are plain and without variegation.

On Sp. Lake Sibaya X concinna, I’m fairly sure Lake Sibaya is considered within the concinna tribe. So I’m wondering if you actually have a hybrid between the two or if there’s a problem with how the name was written by the source If that makes any sense :)

By the way, are petioles on the leaves orange to wine red? This is typical of Lake Sibaya from Monkey Bay.

Good to know you, where are you located? I assume somewhere non-tropical since you grow indoors.

Russ

Central Florida

I gave away my masoniana. Growing more root then top and haveing some times only one leaf and never more than 3 to a node. My son who I gave them to had up to 5 leaves to a node and stayed controlled for him. That surprised me.

Stush,

I've been seeing the same thing, the central rosette seems to give up the ghost after a few leaves, then I get a new offshoot 6 months later. I'm wondering if it just wants more space than a typical sans.

Russ,

The grower on etsy seemed to have quite a variety of patterns of variegation, so suspecting some artificial method, who knows. Photo 1 below

On the Sibaya x Concinna, if im not mistaken, it resembles the the Concinna parentage more, with purple stems, but maybe there is flash of orange in some of the younger leaves. Photo 2 below. I broke two leaves potting it up, I'm a little heavy handed, so if they shoot new buds up, im open to trading.

I just transplanted from Idaho to Northern California and am still settling in. I'd love to let my sans fluorish outdoors but I'm scared of sun burn, they're all indoor plants. I've had some luck acclimatizing them but I've also burned enough to be wary. They seem happy in windows anyway.

Looks like I also have a handful of Moonshine and golden hahnii cuttings rooting from recent repotting. I'm perfectly happy culling small interior leaves but I can never seem to throw them in the trash so they get potted up in the odd tin can. It's a compulsion that I can only ignore with pothos vines.

Photo 1 Variegated masoniana leaf cutting (2 months old)

Photo 2 (from paradisefound as "Sansevieria concinna x Sudwalla Caves")