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House renovation kitchen - something feels off

5 years ago

Hi all, we're currently renovating our newly bought house, and it's a complete "remove everything and start from scratch" kind of thing.


We have completed the layout for the house, but are now going more into detail for each room, and are pretty happy with the kitchen, except that there's something off about the side with the sink + hob. My wife thought it might be because there is no symmetry, but i can't quite see that either.

We're also against having the sink on the island for practicality, and because we'll probably have one of those larger cottage-style sinks (e.g. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/0e/59/250e59de675432ac8b4592607daf0e08.jpg)


Any suggestion for improvement is welcome, also note we're using floorplanner which doesn't have the best furniture selection so this is mostly for the layout and some colors, but won't be the final style probably).


Thanks!






Comments (22)

  • 5 years ago

    I would put the DW at the right of the sink, that way it is not in the prep space. I think the shelves are what is off. I would replace them by a cabinet so that the hood is centered on the empty space.

  • 5 years ago

    The fact that the sink is not centered under the cabinet looks off. I would also not have open shelves right next to the hob -- too much steam and grease.

  • 5 years ago

    I agree with the above- first thing I saw when looking at this where the shelves and the stood out in a bad way (for me). Not only does another upper can look better IMO but it also offers more and better storage. Mama goose’s first picture is right on- you still get that airy feel you’re going for. Good luck with your project!

  • PRO
    5 years ago
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    You may be against it, but your kitchen architecture is the one demanding that the sink be on the island. If you fight against your house, you will be the loser. You are ending up with a much worse functioning design for having the back wall overcrowded. The aesthetics are badly off as well.

    Plus, why the free standing trash can, the greasy open shelves, the too narrow aisles, and other issues that you’ve created here?

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Thanks @User, i have been considering the sink in the island because of this, i just know that having appliances in an island does come with more technical difficulties at installation (and requires extra plumbing in the floors). If we did go with a sink in the island, how would you see the back wall layout?

  • 5 years ago

    I think full height cabinets right in your face while working at the sink will annoy you in no time flat.

  • 5 years ago

    Sink, dishwasher, and trash/recycling pullout in the island (sink across from current location). Do uppers like mama goose's second suggestion, and now you have a nice corner by the fridge for your coffee maker, toaster, or whatever you use regularly.


    I would also consider using a white or panelled refrigerator. Right now the black hood and fridge break up that wall oddly, or fight for attention.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @mama goose_gw zn6OH thanks for the tips, i've tried something else taking into account the smaller cabinets, and used a built in extractor instead (which is something we like too) with the shelves around it



    Ideally the chimney would be more in this style, but i can't quite do it with floorplanner:

    https://i.pinimg.com/564x/bc/4b/27/bc4b27de62db53eec94b82dbdd6631df.jpg

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Forget the cabinets on that wall for sure hang a piece of art above the sink and be done

  • PRO
    5 years ago
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    Generally you don't have cabinets over your sink so that might also be what's feeling off (along with everything else mentioned above). Maybe consider doing something like this above the sink and leaving the rest cabinetry:



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  • PRO
    5 years ago
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    The sink and the stove top along the same run of counter is a no. I would move the sink and dishwasher to the island. Then center the stove top and hood on that run of counter. upper cabinets on both sides or open shelving on both sides of the hood your choice. Island centered on hood and two lights over it centered on hood. Photos to show centered island , hood, lighting






  • 5 years ago

    Are your uppers 12" or 15" deep? I wouldn't if you are going with 15". If they are 12" then make the cabinet over the sink shorter than the rest raising the bottom. We had this set up in one rental and at 5'3" I still felt closed in so not ideal. Make sure you add a light too. We didn't and it was harder to see making me feel like I was entering a dark time-out cave whenever I did dishes.

  • 5 years ago

    Your layout is begging for the sink to be in the island.


    Id move the sink, and then center the range on the wall it’s on now, with equal wall cabinets on either side.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @User that's a great idea thanks! Had seen those squared shelves embedded in the cabinetry but didn't know how to add them to our design. Thank you!

  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Thanks for all the comments, pretty interesting to see some people completely against the stove top and sink on the same side, while others find it normal. We're based in Belgium and tbh, most houses/apartments i've been to have the stove and sink on the same side (we have that in our current place), and if it's an L shaped kitchen then one on either side. Will have to think through both options, as there's great ideas for each !

  • 5 years ago

    I think the problem with not having any upper cabinets is there is not an obvious place to put storage elsewhere. The wall between the window and the door where there are open shelves is possible, but the wrong side of the room really, and it already seems quite tight there.

    Similarly, relocating the sink under the window takes it away from the cooking area. It also means relocating the radiator and there is no other window to put it under. The sink in the island, and I know that is not something you wanted, does seem to solve a few issues.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    I think you have too many tall pieces going on so you are losing some personality. I happen to love the the sink and the stove on the same wall. If you really cook alot, this set up keeps you from having to be rinsing and stuff at the sink then having to pick everything up to go to the stove.

    I also agree that the open shelves next to the stove and half over the sink are really throwing things off as well.

    Try taking out that tall piece to the left of the hood. Move the stove left a bit and reposition the sink with about 4 ft - 5ft between the sink and the stove for a work space. You can keep the tall stuff on the adjacent wall and put in an appliance garage to fill in so it will still look like a full wall of tall pieces


    Think about how you cook and entertain. Then cater your kitchen to that. It is more important that you and your family can enjoy the space and get what you need.

    Best of luck! Be sure to post final pictures

  • 5 years ago

    If you keep the sink on the back wall, how do you plan to use the island? It isn't a great prep space, without water.


    Imagine yourself preparing a meal in your layout. Where do you instinctively reach for knives, colanders, pots, spices, cooking utensils? As you clean up after the meal, imagine putting away leftovers, loading the DW. Then put away the dishes. How about if you want to make a batch of cookies? As you carefully consider all the items in your kitchen, especially the things you use every day, you will have a much better feel for the ideal placement of the sink - for YOU.

  • 5 years ago
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    Thanks for all the comments, pretty interesting to see some people
    completely against the stove top and sink on the same side, while others
    find it normal.

    Depends on your cooking/entertaining style. To be clear, i do not disagree with having the sink on the island. I find it more pleasant to prep on my island facing the room, than in a corner, although it took me some time to find that out--after adding an island to the kitchen. Having the primary prep space next to a water source is more efficient and functional than rinsing on one counter, then transferring items to another counter to finish prep, although in some small kitchens that works (mine, for example). Your kitchen has enough space to put the sink on the island and still have a decent prep space. Some who entertain often, or who do large cooking/baking projects, want the island clear of any obstructions, but you can have a cutting board made to fit over the sink, to return it to counter space if needed.

    With the sink in the island you have the classic triangle, rather than a one-wall layout, and you could put the DW to the right of the sink, outside the prep triangle. In that configuration, a helper could unload the DW, or gather dishes to set the table, without entering the prep/cooking path. Many people will disagree with having the sink centered on the range/cooktop, but IMO, we spend more time prepping beside a sink, that rinsing items in front of it, so a centered sink is OK with me. It took me a while to come to that conclusion, too, after looking at many designer's plans--with sink centered on the range.

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  • 5 years ago

    I don't think plumbing an island sink is that difficult. Can you access the floors from below (i.e. basement) or are you on slab?

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    "Some who entertain often, or who do large cooking/baking projects, want the island clear of any obstructions,"


    Depends on the island size. My sink is in my island and I cook, bake and entertain a lot and have plenty of room on my island to do all that with the sink.