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Marvin Modern, Infinity, and Elevate--which to go with Kolbe VistaLuxe

5 years ago

We recently did a whole house renovation. Our house is modern and has MANY windows-mostly casement and various large architectural window features. We ended up replacing some of the windows (mostly all on the main level) but decided to conquer the others later due to renovation costs.


I am now ready to replace the remaining.... 41 windows!


For the windows and sliders we replaced, we used the Kolbe Vistaluxe brand. After living in the house for a few months, I am not overly impressed with this brand. Mainly because of the wood interior and functionality. We had our "painters" finish the wood interior because neither my contractor nor sales rep told us that the Kolbe factory could pre-finish/paint the interior in factory! (my dissatisfaction might be less had we known this and done it, knowing how it looks if painted onsite) We had it painted and I just don't like the look, not to mention the durability. I love the aluminum clad outside look on the house but the interior isn't pleasing to me. Our windows are black/black (interior/exterior). I want something with little to no maintenance required inside or out...inside especially.


So my search has brought me to the Marvin line of windows. I have been talking with the Infinity line, the Elevate line, and now I see this Modern line.


1. Besides the material they are made of, I am looking for anyone that have used these brands or chose one over the other. Why?


Again, this is for a more modern looking home. I don't want to see "chunks" of black trim or frame around my windows. My home is mostly white with black throughout. I want a thin-barely there black frame seen from inside and outside.


2. We have a steel frame front door and we went with the Kolbe to mirror these steel frame doors. With that understanding, can I get that look using any of these Marvin brands--is one better than the other? I assume Modern is a perfect fit, but it sounds as if the price will be exuberant. Does anyone have an opinion from their experience of what will match the Kolbe VistaLuxe best?


3. Lastly, is it true that I will most likely need to do a "full frame" window replacement versus an "insert"/"pocket" window to maintain the current view/glass space I have. I keep hearing that all these window lines, if done as an "insert" will take away some of my open view. Modern is the only line that I've been told must be "full frame" so I suppose that I won't lose anything with that line.


4. Seeing that we just finished an almost 2 year renovation, I worry about having more crews in here doing work, like full-frame on 41 windows that could potentially open me up to damage done to our interior or exterior? Any nightmare situations I should be aware of?


Who knew that windows could be so involved! Thank you in advance


Comments (5)

  • 5 years ago

    It's a shame about your previous windows. You should have been given the option for factory finishing.

    The Marvin Infinity I believe are fiberglass, which means you'll have minimal maintenance

    ( certainly not what you have with wood windows). I can't speak to the differences in styles. You'll want a detailed contract from a highly skilled installation company with workmans' comp, liability insurance, and a valid license. This is not the time to cut corners, considering your 2 year renovation. Do not assume work will be done correctly without your being present and frequently checking on the work. Prepare your home in advance-put away valuables, make sure you have heavy duty drop cloths available. Cover your rugs/floors/furnishings to avoid dust, etc.. 41 windows is a huge number. How long will this take? How many installers? Will they clean up, daily, removing all trash, etc.? Leave nothing to what you think they should do, but get in writing everything you want, including finish work, if needed. In times of Covid, will they follow precautions? Will they leave your premises during lunch, use your bathrooms, etc. You don't want an employee living in your bathroom multiple times a day, as has happened to others. This is a large investment and you want it done right.

  • 4 years ago

    Sounds like the look you want is all aluminum like Fleetwood. Though I know in CA it is hard to meet title 24 energy requirements with all aluminum windows. I did see a white Marvin modern window and it looked really nice, but sounds like they come at a premium price...with fewer options...looks like just picture, casement and awning windows shows on their website.


    Knowing that you could get the Kolbe VistaLuxe windows prepainted, you don't want to go that route? I am debating Kolbe's Ultra line... with primed interior. But I agree that the primed version doesn't look great. The upgraded solid wood interiors look pretty nice, but I just want a simple clean white window on the inside. So torn on which direction to go.


    Today was the first time I looked at the Marvin line...their naming system is so confusing...wish they would just call them what they are.... all fiberglass (Essential), Elevate (fiberglass exterior with wood interior), (Signature) aluminum clad wood... They all looked pretty nice. The Modern was my favorite but beyond what I can spend.

  • 4 years ago

    Thanks everyone. I’ve finally decided to go with the Kolbe Vistaluxe line, again. Part of my reason was I just didn’t want to mix/match my window brands throughout my house. I wanted consistency.


    After months of meeting with Sales Reps and going bonkers (yes, Marvin makes it EXTREMELY confusing based on their naming conventions) and looking at brands/lines, I realized Kolbe offered my “idea” of modern that I was looking for—trying to mimic that “steel frame” look in my windows, like my front door. Kolbe allowed me to just do the sash black but the frame white for interior—not all offerings do.

    Also, I went with the factory painted black which will be more substantial and look much better than my painted on site windows. If I had only known this option before...The cost, prep work, maintenance, and workmanship of the windows painted onsite makes me realize the value/cost equating to having factory do it—In the long run I bet it will be cheaper.

    Lastly, I think I found a reliable contractor (do they even exist?!) but my last contractor is also part of the reason I disliked Kolbe. This new contractor, as did others, spoke highly of Kolbe. i will be here to oversee and already discussed my concerns for preventing damage to newly renovated home.

    Windows, like everything, are taking a lot of production time. I’m hoping 8 weeks and nothing more....

    I hope this helps others out there!

  • 4 years ago

    Nikki E Glad you were able to decide! I'm waiting on a Marvin quote and then will compare that will my Kolbe. Are you getting any sliding windows or all casement? I have some sliding windows in my quote but I haven't seen any in person. I've only found the casements on display.

  • 4 years ago

    Hapahaole:

    I have mostly fixed and casement windows that I'm ordering...

    However, for my renovation, I had a few awning windows (opened upwards) (The opening mechanism was a "slider" that pushes out the window not a "crank"). The awnings were both in standard window sizes and transoms. I had a group of 3 windows where I did the slider mechanism too (not a crank).


    I also did a giant full wall slider door....and a massive window (36 ft roughly) where they had to design/build based on structure and weight.

    We haven't had any issues with our slider (EXCEPT) we got "dividers" in them and since it came unfinished wood, the painters forgot to paint part of the interior slider that when the doors were opened a certain way, you could see it! After construction, they had to carefully remove the door to paint the part they missed (I couldn't watch I was so nervous).


    After getting a lot of quotes, I recall being surprised that I didn't think the Kolbe VistaLuxe was incredibly much more money, especially since Kolbe was considered higher-end than some of the Marvin lines. It definitely ended up costing more for Kolbe though but that is because I had a lot of "custom" special needs/wants for my windows and we paid an upcharge to my contractor holding him responsible for any fixes/warranties instead of buying the windows on our own and then having him just install.


    Most Marvin dealers I know are soup to nuts...they will order and do install and then be responsible for workmanship. Some dealers might sub it out to window installers they only use, some have their own crew in house, and others just hire someone to do it. But, with that said, check everyone's warranty for their product line.


    Good Luck!