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Help me plan & please share your favorite fragrant purple/mauve roses

5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

I'm new to roses (grew only Mme Hardy for a few years until this last spring when I planted 3 Austins). This fall planted more roses in some multicolored groupings in my back yard (pinks, whites, apricots mostly). This week I happened upon a mention of Reine des Violettes in another thread and after a little internet searching fell in love with her and Rose de Resht.


So now I'm thinking about making new rose bed next year in my front yard, along the street. This area is west facing and would get lots of sun in the winter/spring, and mostly afternoon sun in the summer (shaded in the morning by cherry trees). I live in the Willamette Valley, Oregon (the wet side of the state).


I'd love to design the bed with mostly purple/mauve roses (and perhaps some complimentary colors). I'm also considering planting one or two once bloomers, especially if they are disease resistant, very fragrant and set colorful hips. Beautiful fall color leaves would be considered a bonus! Currently in my garden, the only rose that has fall color is Mme Hardy (yellow) and she is also the only rose who has dropped her leaves. My Austins have pretty much all of their foliage, still!


I much appreciate all of your opinions and wisdom. I've learned so much from this forum just as a quiet observer.


Does anyone have experience with the following roses?


Reine des Violettes

Rose de Rescht

Belle de Crecy (once blooming--does this set hips?)

La Belle Sultane (once blooming and it looks like the hips are lovely on this one)

Mme Isaac Pereire (I know she's more pink--and maybe she gets too big for the space...?)

Ebb Tide

Twilight Zone


Do you have other recommendations?


I'm looking putting in about 7 plants.


Thanks so much!

Comments (29)

  • 5 years ago
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    I have Ebbtide and Twilight Zone. My Ebbtide is darker but it is not my favorite. The time between blooms is longer . Twilight Zone blooms more and to me is a prettier bush

    I planted Celestial night this summer and really like it.

    Hopefully Diane will chime in will show off some of her beautiful purples.



    Ebbtide




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    Twilight Zone

    For me it was pretty much always this color

  • 5 years ago

    I also really like Heirloom, love song, Plum Perfect and Blue For You


    Heirloom


    Blue For You

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    Plum Perfect


    Love Song

  • 5 years ago

    I just got Rose de Rescht this fall but I was impressed with the fragrance of the couple of blooms and the nice shape. Looking forward to how it does next year.

    Ebb Tide is a favorite. It is surprisingly hardy for me and extremely fragrant with constant blooms. It does brighten in hot weather and the golden stamens are really lovely. It is disease free and a nice tidy plant in the garden.

    Lavender Jewel is a darling little rose that I have really enjoyed this year, if minis are your thing. It blooms like mad and holds up well in the heat.

  • 5 years ago

    Rose de Rescht and Mme Isaac Pereire I do not grow, I have tried Rose de Rescht more than once, it doesn't like me. I have heard Mme Isaac Pereire wanted lots of care, but does have beautiful flowers.


    The once bloomers are my absolute favorite, and IMHO you can't go wrong with any of them. They are easy to grow, breathtakingly beautiful, and shut down in the summer, just like me ;)


    Now that I have found a warm spot in my yard, the Teas and Chinas are becoming much loved, and they give you the repeat, until Spring, when my favorites beloved roses are blooming again.


    Ebb Tide is doing ok for me, but modern roses are so much shorter, and , for me, you don't really get that much bloom off of them. He would probably make a good pot specimen on a back or front porch.


    I'm really loving my polyantha roses, they take time to grow, because you buy them in band sizes, or I do, but they bloom so much, I am adding more in my garden now. Some of the miniatures grow quite nicely as well, they are a mixed bag for me. Mountain Mignonette , Gourmet Popcorn, Charles Walker Mignonette, Marie Pavie, Sweet Chariot are some good ones for me.

  • 5 years ago
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    Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I'll wait a couple days before placing my order to see if anyone else has suggestions.

    Beautiful photos! I hadn't thought about minis before. More lovely options!

    And Plum Perfect and Love Song were on my runner up list because they don't have as strong of a fragrance but Kristine's gorgeous photos have me considering them again!

    It's great to get encouragement from another gardener who likes once bloomers. I'm definitely keeping them on my list!

    I looked at two other recent threads where purple/mauve roses are discussed and saw Diane's beautiful photos. Her roses have great purple coloring!

  • 5 years ago

    Librarian, I like Love Song enough to order her in a standard. She has big fat blooms and she blooms all the time for me.



  • 5 years ago

    Librarian, if you want to see some incredible purples check out the winter 1 thread and scroll down

    You cant miss Diane's incredible purples.

  • 5 years ago
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    Kristine, it sounds like Love Song would be great in my bed, especially if I'm planting a few once bloomers--it would add blossoms later nicely. It's also a lighter lilac compared to the deep wine colors I keep falling for.


    Which do you like better: Plum Perfect or Celestial Night? Which has a better fragrance? If you had to pick one which would it be? Your photos of PP are so lovely!


    I'm hoping to order the new Austin Gabriel Oak--he might do well in this grouping, too. It sounds like he's tidier than Young Lycidas. (YL is on my wishlist for another area where he can be lanky)


    I planted Munstead Wood this fall in another bed by Teasing Georgia.

    You've been so helpful! Thank you!

  • 5 years ago

    You already have some of my very favorites.

    Plum perfect and Celestial night are very different colors.

    Plum perfect is plum/mauve

    And Celestial night is more fuchia for me.

    I have Plum Perfect with Love Song and Quicksilver.


    Celestial night

    Plum perfect

    Lavender veranda migjt be a good front row Lavendar

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  • 5 years ago


    Orpheline de Juliet

  • 5 years ago


    Veilchenblau


    I believe this is rush family

  • 5 years ago

    I have alot more, but I can recognize those by pictures. If I don't save the name with the photo, sometimes I forget who is who.

    librarian_gardner_8b_pnw thanked Alana8aSC
  • 5 years ago

    I have Reine des Violettes and Rose de Rescht and love them both. RdV can get huge if she is happy! She mostly only gives me a spring flush and then just a smattering of blooms the rest of the year. RdR tends to bright pink sometimes but blooms a little more often.

    One of my favorite purples is Love Song. Good bloomer and lovely scent too.

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  • 5 years ago

    I have Ebb Tide and would recommend it for the color and strong fragrance. Not the most amazing looking bush however. I got Purple Lodge from Burling this past March and it has taken off very well, the color is dark purple, bloomed a lot for a first year, and the fragrance is very rich. Here is Purple Lodge--on the bush and after a few days in the vase.









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  • 5 years ago

    Belle de Crecy is one of my favorite roses. I don't recall ever seeing hips on it though. I like that it keeps fairly short, but does sucker quite a bit, so I'd suggest looking for a grafted plant. Same goes for La Belle Sultane I assume but I've never grown it. Palantine offered both this fall but I believe are sold out. If you want something akin to a gallica but with some repeat bloom, try Indigo. It's a damask perpetual. As far as modern roses, people have had good things to say about the new 'Like no Other'. I have ordered it for next year.

    -Chris

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  • 5 years ago

    I've got Rose de Rescht and Madame Isaac Pereire in pots in Seattle -- obviously not a great situation for MIP because she wants to be huge, but I saw her in a pot in a garden in France so thought "why not?" Anyway, yeah, that rose wants to be large -- perhaps you could pillar it to get it to take up less space, if that is an option. Rose de Rescht is fantastic -- it reblooms so often and makes such a nice plant that I can definitely see putting it near a walkway or entrance so people can admire it and smell its delightful fragrance. The flowers aren't really purple -- I would classify them as cool cerise red, if that makes sense. They are definitely on the cool side, so they will probably look good with the other things you are thinking of putting in this bed.


    I don't grow them but you might want to have a look at Florence Delattre and Young Lycidas as well. There are some lovely deep plum mosses too, like Nightmoss, Nuits de Young, and the slightly ruddier Capitane John Ingram (I have the latter in a pot and it is wonderful). I haven't tried La Belle Sultane but that is such a fabulous looking rose that I wish I had room for it. Tour de Malakoff has an interesting smoky purple color (and I totally want to grow that one too -- noticing a pattern here?) Erinnerung an Brod is another one I wish I had room for... For a really cute single once-bloomer Doorenbos Selection is great, and it gets some fall color. The only place I've seen it offered recently is Corn Hill in Canada though. Anyway... this is turning into a list of things I want to grow but have no space for!

    librarian_gardner_8b_pnw thanked K S 7a Yakima
  • 5 years ago

    So many good options here! I'm going to check out these most recent suggestions and will have to make a spreadsheet! And I thought I'd place the order this week! Haha!


    I was looking at Belle de Crecy and La Belle Sultane but at High Country Roses, so own root...maybe I need to wait until next fall when Palentine restocks. :-( I have a nice place in the back of a bed elsewhere where I think Mme Isaac Perierre would be able to get big.


    Capitane John Ingram had been on my mind, too. Maybe I need to reconsider.


    Young Lycidas is on my list! But I was thinking a spot elsewhere near the back of the border where he could be floppy. Maybe he'd be good here instead!

  • 5 years ago

    I love HCR ! I actually prefer ownroot, but everyone doesn't. When they sucker, imo, it's not that hard to slice off the babies. Maybe mine need to get older before they become a nuisance.

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  • 5 years ago

    I love HCRs and own root here too.

  • 5 years ago

    Sheila, I love their growth habit ownroot :)

  • 5 years ago

    This was my Belle de Crecy after 4 years being left to its own devices. I'd say it was at least a 7' by 7' wide patch at this point. I admit I failed to reign it in. Stunning during its spring flush, but eventually pulled it all out since this was the front bed in my front yard, and looked pretty rough for much of the season (pieces of it still pop up here and there). Would definitely be best interplanted with other repeat bloomers and kept under control. If you can keep on top of it, then I highly recommend it. Otherwise wait for a grafted plant and don't bury too deeply. I'm really kicking myself for not getting one from Palatine while I had the chance. It is a great rose.

    -Chris



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  • 5 years ago

    Would growing these own roots in a large container solve the suckering problem?

  • 5 years ago
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    Oursteelers that's definitely one approach. It was recommended to me by another forum member once to take an old garbage pale, cut it in half and bury the top half in the garden as a large root barrier. That's how I have Indigo and Apothecary rose growing and they've been fine so far for the past several years. I imagine the rose would eventually become pot bound and need some intervention, but it hasn't happened yet. This may be impractical for a very vigorous suckerer like Charles de Mills.

    -Chris

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    My gosh, you all have been so helpful! Thank you so much!

    Chris--I think I might try that garbage pale technique with a few of these OGR that sucker. Hopefully, that will help me keep them from growing into 8ft x 8ft hedges--although, I suppose if I ever wanted to put in a fence along the street, I could just plant some OGR instead! My only current OGR is Mme Hardy and she's kept well within a 3 ft radius these last 5 years. What you describe with Crecy sounds crazier than raspberries!

    I think I have my final list:

    Reine des Violettes

    Gabriel Oak (if I'm lucky enough to get him)

    Rose de Resht

    Young Lycidas

    La Belle Sultane

    Love Song

    Ebb Tide

    Twilight Zone

    Yolande D'Aragon

    Belle de Crecy

    **and maybe one day: Captaine John Ingram (he's in stock at Heirloom right now but I don't feel like paying that much for him)

    Maybe I'll plant some bluish and yellowish annuals in the first couple of years until the roses fill in.

  • 5 years ago

    That sounds like a wonderful list.

    Im excited for you !!

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  • 5 years ago

    Oh that will be lovely! Please show us some pictures as they mature. :)

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