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Dining Room Size for a 10x12 room that was a laundry room originally

5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

Hello,

We are purchasing a house and we have a design issue. Our living room doesn't have enough long wall space to put our couches facing the TV. There is no way to really lay it out to our liking. We were thinking of re-purposing the dining room (which is connected to the living room) as a den/family room and having the living room more of a formal living area (so we don't have to worry about couch/tv placement). There is a laundry/mud room right off the kitchen that we were thinking of using for our dining room instead (we have a washer and dryer hook up upstairs so we will move that there). The laundry room is 10x12. What is the biggest table we can get without having the space feel cramped? I read a 72x40 table would be good. There is also a back door in that laundry room. We would also like to have a hutch of some kind in the room.

Here is a small video clip as well (not very good) https://youtu.be/DSfeRcRyn4s

By comparison, the "real" dining room is 13x12 so It's only 3 square feet bigger than the laundry room.

My wife thinks the laundry room might be too cold (not temperature) for a dining room .


This is also a video of the whole house, I know I move around fast but you can see the issue we will have with the living room and couch/tv placement. The house was also a 2 family converted to a single family, so the layout of the upstairs is strange, it has 3 open areas.. We were thinking of making the whole upstairs our master suite. https://youtu.be/dEknvOSsuZA




Comments (25)

  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    IMO that size table will not fit . You need 36” all around the table for chairs to move in and out so if that is the case then a smaller table for sure maybe even a round one (BTW it 36 sq ft smaller). How many seats do you want in the DR ?You could do a 48” round thet has a leaf so usually 6 and add the leaf and 8 seats If you look for atable with a pedestal base evne better There really will not be space for a buffet but with nice drapes a great chandelier and a nice wall color it can be done. The video shows nothing to be able to see. Post a to scale floor plan or some simple photos not fish ee or warped in ant yway that is how you get help. I can see a wall in the kitchen that abuts the soon to be DR can that wall be removed that way this would make even more sense.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    For some reason I always feel like dining rooms and bathrooms are deceiving. You don't realize how much space you need until you are really working with the space.

    When you look at these two rooms side by side with either 36" (minimum) or 48" preferable) around the table that 3 linier feet make a huge difference.



    If you post a floorplan there may be some decent solutions. Off the top of my head I am thinking of a bench under the windows or maybe the kitchen and laundry can be merged to make it an eat in kitchen.


    Do you actually need a "dining room"? How do you typically dine in your home?

    How often do you entertain and serve a sit down meal? How many people need seating daily and how many when you entertain.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    A 72x40 table could fit- but just barely while still including the chairs and all. If everyone was seated at the table it would feel cramped. And the door being there- you would need to be extra careful with chair placement there.

    It's kind of like trying to use an 8' pool table in a room meant for a 6' table- sure, it could fit, but the usefulness of it would be diminished.


  • 5 years ago

    We would like 6 seats, the option of 8 with a leaf would be nice.


  • 5 years ago

    @Jennifer Hogan Yeah, I wish we had better photos, we just have the ones from the RE listing. We would like a dining room. There are only 3 of us most of the time (my wife, toddler and myself) but always sit and have dinner together. We don't usually entertain for dinner in the apt we currently live in, but it would be nice to have a table where at least 6-8 of us can sit in case we do host a family holiday at our new house. We currently have a rectangle table in our apt for 4 people

  • 5 years ago

    You won't have space for any additional furniture (sideboard/buffet). 3' all around for chairs means you're left with a 4'x6' table, so I think a 40"x72" table will fit. However, if it will also be a walkway/through space you'd want a bit more than 3'. That door is the bigger issue - you'll need space to open it into the room, which you may not have. Regarding temperature - if there's no vents in there now, your wife may be correct. The windows will be another issue - they're short, and will make your dining room feel uncomfortable unless you're planning on replacing those as well. You may get better help with arranging your living room than trying to use this room as a dining room. Or look for a different house that suits your needs?

  • 5 years ago

    I can only envision banquette seating wotking in that space but I think the door would be a big issue.

  • 5 years ago

    If you could change the door to glass it might work much better.


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  • 5 years ago
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    PS. I once bought a house where previous owners had bumped out a back kitchen wall to connect with a mudroom and make a dining nook. . They didnt adequately insulate the space, and despite connecting it up to the central heating, it felt cold at ankle level in winter.

  • 5 years ago

    We don't need pictures as much as a floor plan. You can make one in excel or draw it on a piece of paper but shows us how big each room is, where the openings are, and demonstrates the issue with the sofa placement.


    Some of the designers on this forum have ways of placing furniture that it just works. Other times they have to tell someone the cold hard truth, but I am often amazed at how they can move a few things around, add or remove an item and suddenly the whole space works. I am better with color than furniture placement. Have a few ideas, but many are much better than me.

    .

    Just stole this from some other post - We don't even need this much detail, but we do need room dimensions and approximate location of doors and windows, location and size of the fireplace and the size of the sofa you want to put in the room.





  • 5 years ago

    Round tables and dining chairs with curved backs take up less space than a table with angles. For company get a table with two leaves to open up for an oval table. Consider removing the doors to the closet and creating shelves as below or for displaying beautiful dishes. Notice in this photo who both the round lamp and round rug work together.

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    As someone upthread suggested, banquettes can be beautiful, though they work best when they're integrated into a kitchen. You can have lidded built-in banquettes built relatively cheaply and use the interiors for storage.

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    An armless upholstered dining bench would work under those two windows as well.



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  • 5 years ago
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    There won't be room for a hutch. Seriously consider using your closet for the same purpose by removing the doors. You can build in shelves, paint the interior, back it with wallpaper--all sorts of possibilities. An overhead pendant light and a rug underneath will add warmth to the room so that you'll never know it was a laundry room.


    To decide on a table size, here are ideal measurements for dining table to room. Again, a 48" table with curved back chair would be best with the options for one or two leaves for an oblong table when you have guests.


    http://www.parotas.com/en/calculate-best-dining-table-size/

  • 5 years ago

    the difference in size of the 2 rooms is 36 square feet not 3...that's a lot.
    Because it's open double door width to the kitchen, I think it will work without feeling clausterphobic but you will need a narrower table and a very slim buffet sort of thing that will fit into a corner.
    35 inch table is big....but you can get even narrower one and make your laundry room work for dining.

  • 5 years ago

    Between the door and the back wall, you might be able to snrak in a bar cart instead of a hutch


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    And maybe manage to get some shelving above it


  • 5 years ago

    Below: closet turned into hutch-like space. Since you have a double closet, yours could have more service and display space. Either remove the doors entirely for a full display, or replace door panels with glass. This would take up no floor space and could look quite beautiful.


  • 5 years ago

    @housegal200 if im not mistaken the only door in the room is a back door leading outside

  • 5 years ago
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    I think you need to back up and revisit furniture placement in living room. With pros help/ fresh eyes you might not need to repurpose the laundry room.

  • 5 years ago

    @ital mover: Maybe you're right. I thought the OP was taking his photos from the back door, and that the doors facing the two windows belonged to a closet. If that's the case, then there's even more reason for a round table and round-backedchairs. They could put a credenza at the far end under the single window.


    I'm about to post a reminder on DD to all poster to always show a room from all four sides plus include all information about what must be kept, what materials are on the floor. Yesterday, a poster asked about changing out flooring which all Commentors thought was hardwood, responded accordingly, only to find out the flooring was laminate!

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks everyone. I know the photos weren't good. When I get to the house again, I'll take a better video, better photos (that the RE agency didn't take). However, I stink at drawing. All of my artistic talent went to music. I can't even draw a stick figure right! hahaha I'm also a software guy, so I'll look for an app that can create a sketch based on photos and measurements (I'm sure one exists out there).


    As for knocking down the wall that separates the kitchen and the laundry room, our counter and cabinets wrap around on that wall, so to do that, we'd lose counter and cabinet space. My wife said, with the kitchen right there, perhaps we don't even need a hutch/buffet table.

  • 5 years ago

    If a small table is good for everyday, there are workarounds for occasional family get-togethers. Reading Sarah Susanka's books may give you some ideas for having your spaces live large. For example, she suggests 2 smallish tables that are the same height, that can be put together for occasional larger dining needs.

    For large meals we split people up between the kitchen and dining room tables, and the rule is that mid-meal you shuffle places so you have different dining companions for dessert.

    For holiday meals my MIL used to put tables end-to-end that covered the full length of living-dining room, such that the people on the far side needed to crawl under the table to get there. Obviously that was for the younger more nimble people. The kids loved it and still talk fondly about diving under the table. If your need is for a more elegant dining experience for couples, that obviously won't work LOL.

  • 5 years ago

    The photos are stretched - I think it is actually a single opening to the kitchen on one side and a closing door to the garage on the end.



    I think they could do either of these, if I have the layout right.






    They could take chairs away that are not in use daily, but extend a table or add chairs when they have company.


    Patrick Hill thanked Jennifer Hogan
  • 5 years ago

    @Jennifer Hogan Correct, it's a single doorway. I will be going back to the house when we have our home inspection, I will take better photos, the only photos I had were from the real estate listing. We could even block that door, I do not think we are really going to use that entrance (we have two other entrances). There is also another room on the right right before the doorway to the laundry room. We were going to make that room my son's playroom. We could use that room as well and make his play room in another room, but that room is smaller than the laundry room, it's 10x9 where the laundry room is 10x12

  • 5 years ago

    I'm not hearing an Amen for banquette seating but one thing I would suggest you consider is replacing some of the windows with half windows, especially if those windows face onto something utterly uninteresting, like a neighbors driveway or town parking lot. Doing that would give you space to put in some shelving or just generally improve the options for seating (adding a store bought bench but installing a simple padded backrest fixed against the wail, etc) Again, rather than wall off the door or try to place furniture in front of it then lock it, consider replacing the solid a door that is all or partially glass, depending on your security needs


    This is obviously not a dining room but might give you ideas


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  • 5 years ago

    Something else to consider, if the laundry room door opens into your private outdoor space, is to create a dining room decor that utilizes the types of chairs that can be left outside in all weather, and only brought indoors when extra seating is needed for guests.



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  • 5 years ago

    FYI
    12x13=156
    10x12=120
    Difference = 36 square feet, not 3.
    Banquet would be best option, IMO.