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Can they fix the colors on our rift cut white oak veneer cabinets?

3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

Help! Three years ago we renovated our kitchen and chose slab cabinets in reconstituted rift cut white oak veneer with a horizontal grain. There were several problems including mismeasures by the cabinet company and faulty installation. I won't go into all the details, suffice to say the entire left side had to be replaced including the size of the opening for the fridge, the cabinet/doors above the fridge, and the two small pantries/doors on the far left side. Then last year the veneers separated on the tall pantry door and the fridge panels.


I asked the owner of the cabinet company to reglue the veneer and was reassured that's what they'd do. But was later told it wasn't possible and instead, his guys replaced the doors & panels. More mistakes were made with mismeasures with the fridge panels and they had to replace them again. Unfortunately, we now have multiple colors of wood/stain.


The owner of the company finally admitted they shouldn't have taken on the job because they had never worked with this type of wood before. He is trying to make this right. At the end of last year, his stain guy came to our home trying to match three different colors; (1) original stain, (2) replacement pantry & fridge doors (pinkish), and (3) the panel above the fridge (darkish yellow).


What he did, though, was make it worse! He unevenly applied a white wash on almost ALL of the wood (he didn't do the trim). He also applied a gloss top-coat on top of the matte top-coat for our original doors and that is splotchy. So now we have a mess of 4+ different wood stain colors and finishes. The owner was furious when he saw what was done.


They will soon be coming back to fix the mess and their plan is to respray the entire kitchen.


Can anyone please advise me on the specific language to use to convey what needs to be done? I've said they need to do color matching (toning) of the wood before doing the overall spray and before applying the top-coat.

What else do I need to ask/say to have a successful outcome? I do not expect them to replace all the doors so I know it won't be a perfect match. But I want a better outcome than seeing all the distinct colors and the blotches of high gloss on matte.







Comments (14)

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    They were not, and still are not, qualified to do the job. You're better off ordering new doors and drawers from Scherrs, or Conestoga, or someone else. They are not going to improve it, or make it better. There is basic skill lacking. Basic skill. Much less the advanced skill that what you want requires. They just do not have it.

    Sylva Leduc thanked User
  • 3 years ago

    Verbo, that's what I was worried someone would say. It wouldn't just be the doors and drawers, though, as then all the wood would have to be replaced. We don't want to pay the additional cost for someone else's over-confidence.

  • 3 years ago

    It‘s 60K+ job from a better custom cabinet maker. What did your cabinet guy charge you?


  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Wood finishing is its own trade. Time for these guys to acknowledge defeat.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Would a wood refinisher be able to tone the wood so that it's all relatively similar in color?

  • 3 years ago

    It is difficult to comment on your options because we don't know the veneer used. It can certainly be fixed without new doors. A good finisher can likely fix what is there, whether or not you can find a good finisher is different matter.


    In a worst case scenario the cabinets can be re-veneered, rift sawn white oak veneer isn't that expensive.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    bry911, I mentioned in my OP that the material is reconstituted rift-cut white veneer. It's not rift sawn. The product is from Peterman Lumber and were ordered in 4'x8' sheets with horizontal grain on both sides. Does that help? https://petermanlumber.com/lumber/veneers/reconstituted/

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Thanks, bry911, for replying. Yeah, the Peterman website doesn't give lots of info so I will call them tomorrow to confirm thickness. A mitred corner of one of the pantry legs was sanded before installation of the kitchen and the substrate was already showing when the cabinets arrived, so I won't be surprised to learn it's only 1mm thick. I grilled the finishing guy the last time he was here and he assured me he would hand remove the finish using at least a 180 grit to make sure he doesn't go through the veneer.

    When you mentioned coating do you mean the stain or the top-coat? I'd already confirmed they use oil based products because they don't want to raise the grain on the veneer. The finishing guy does his own custom mixing.


    You are prompting me to wonder if he plans to mix three different colors to make sure the colors match. Or at least bled better.


    I was watching some YouTube videos and one person mentioned leaving the wood to dry for at least 24 hours after spraying to determine how the color will look. What's your experience?

  • 3 years ago

    I won't be surprised to learn it's only 1mm thick.


    That would actually be great as standard thickness is .5 mm

  • 3 years ago

    bry911, called Peterman Lumber and the veneer is .6mm.

    Not much room for (more) error.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    @Sylva Leduc - One of the problems you often run into in situations like yours, is that cabinetmakers are generally not woodworkers. They are production shops and production is a completely different set of skills than woodworking.

    You can sand a long time on veneer that is .6mm thick without ever going through it if you are using the proper tools. If they are going to use an orbital sander, which given the amount of sanding they should, they need to use a good finish sander. Oddly enough, the grit of the sandpaper is not as important as people believe, it is the stroke of the sander that is actually important. For thin veneers I want a sander with a 2mm stroke.

    A good finish sander is actually relatively cheap. A Festool ETS 125 is $215.00 and much better than the yellow and black stuff that too many use. Here is a great video where you can see the difference.



    So if they take their time using the right tools they can get the finish off and get you to a good stainable surface. However, they are going to have to take their time and time is precious for a production shop. It is also anyone's guess whether or not this ability is in their wheelhouse and whether or not they are going to attempt to educate themselves on it before they attempt it.

    Having said that, it looks like they did a decent job on your cabinets. A couple of doors need minor adjustments, but it is a great looking kitchen and they are working on getting this right. Getting cabinets to match when they are fabricated at different times is not a basic skill, it is probably the most difficult job for a cabinetmaker.

    Sylva Leduc thanked bry911
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    bry911, I watched that same video last night. I was amazed that his third experiment was successful and gave me hope.


    At the end of last year when I questioned the finishing guy, he said he is going to hand-sand to remove the top-coat. And I doubt he/they will try to educate themselves. So I am going to put something in writing and send it to the owner to sign-off that if the finisher sands through the veneer, is not able to do an adequate job of color blending, or causes any other irreparable damage that all the doors be replaced with matching wood. Perhaps that will make him pay attention.


    They did do a good job for the most part. The biggest errors have resulted from the owner trying to take shortcuts and rush the installers. When the fridge panels had to be repaired (but were replaced instead), the installer told the owner that he needed to replace the large pop-up door above the fridge at the same time. But the owner didn't want to do that. That door is such a different color than the other two batches of wood. If it had been replaced then it wouldn't stand out visually. And then the finishing guy wouldn't have applied the whitewash trying to mask the differences. But, 20/20 hindsight and all that.


    Here are a couple of other pics to show the whole design. The doors above the cooktop have the Blum Aventos Lift Up System with Servo-Drive. And the niche in the island has floating quartz that is supported with hidden, inset support brackets. I did a lot of research to find out if that was a possibility and then found a custom stone installation company that had done something similar before. They were more than willing to take on that aspect of the project.





  • 3 years ago

    While not trying to belabor the issue, here is what I see in natural light. Took these pics today at 10:45am. Much easier to see that the cabinet door above the fridge is the major culprit. Going to send these pics to the owner of the custom cabinet company to help him recognize that if they can resolve this problem first then they will have much luck in the final outcome.

    Many thanks to those who responded, especially @bry911

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