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Shawnee brave bald cypress near house, ok or bad idea?

3 years ago

I bought a shawnee brave bald cypress last week and now am having buyers remorse. i really like the look the look of them but im just worried it could turn into a monstrosity (granted that might not happen till im long gone anyway but i still dont want to leave the future owner a giant headache). nurseries list them as 50-75 with 15-30ft spread foot but after doing more research i read the parent tree like the parent tree 80 ft tall at around 50 years old. I planted it kinda between my house and my neighbors house in a tightish space, its about 15 feet away from my house and maybe 20-25 from his. If it were to fall in a storm hit would hit the bedroom areas of the houses too. Is it going get too big/dangerous for that area? Also I've read mixed things about the mess, some places ive read they are super messy others say they have nice small needles that just disappear in the lawn. Did i make a bad decision and should i plant something else while i can or will it be ok.

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  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Dirr in his book on woody plants mentions a parent of "Shawnee Brave" reaching 75 feet tall and 18 feet in diameter, so eventually your tree could outgrow its space, though probably not for many years.

    I've never found needle drop from bald cypresses to create a mess; no raking or other disposal was ever needed. Great trees, hope you find space for yours.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Most baldcypresses tend to be more upright than spreading. I really don't think it will be an issue. size-wise, for a long time. My baldcypresses in wet soil are only about 15-25 ft tall after 17 yrs, but they would grow alittle faster in better-drained soil.

    A pic of the situation would help.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    This particular cultivar - 'Mickelson' (Shawnee Brave is a trademarked name) - was selected for its very narrow profile, even more narrow than the species. And it is unlikely to exceed 50' in the course of multiple decades as it very slow growing. I tend to agree that you probably don't have much reason for concern, although a photo would be helpful.

  • 3 years ago


    Tree to the corner of my brown house is about 14 feet, its about 12 feet from the porch that extends from the house you can see in the far right corner but I care about that less. Just don't want it to be a hazard or massive eye sore.

  • 3 years ago

    And then there are the KNEES you try to avoid as not to trip.

  • 3 years ago

    Based on the photo, I think the tree will be fine in that location. Water from the gutter runoff might help the tree get established, though bald cypresses don't need swampy or even damp locations to do well.


    As a further note, I had two bald cypresses planted as small saplings grow to maybe 35 feet tall with at best an 8-foot spread in 15 years - and they were the standard species, not the more narrowly pyramidal "Shawnee Brave".

  • 3 years ago

    It's actually one of the better trees to plant that close to a house.


  • 3 years ago

    Bald cypress rarely ever form knees in a cultivated setting. That is in response to growing in water or poorly aerated soil.


    Maybe true for yours, but mine is not growing in water and has been developing knees, only several inches hight, but they are there and easy enough to trip on.

  • 3 years ago

    Well thanks I feel a little better about it. The graft was another thing that got me thinking after I bought it, if these things get huge I hope that isn't a weak spot...

  • 3 years ago

    They are very storm resistant trees. Just don't let it form a split leader - like this one I see when I'm waiting for the train and always annoys me. (more in winter when the trunk is more visible)

    https://goo.gl/maps/BN8sdiKGebnBJvAi6

  • 3 years ago

    Maybe true for yours, but mine is not growing in water and has been developing knees, only several inches hight, but they are there and easy enough to trip on.


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    love to see some pix of that....

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Hahaha, davidrt. I do get it, tho I doubt it's really a serious issue for the tree. Here's a few of my 17 yrs olds, but these that are developing small knees are in the floodplain w/the water table pretty much right at ground-level.





  • 3 years ago

    My water table is high here too, but usually not underwater. This year, the water table is running higher than normal so far.

  • 2 years ago

    Metasequoia Ogon I planted in a somewhat similar position thinking it would not grow so fast.


    The foliage is absolutely no problem, nor are the small cones. Maybe in another 10 years I'll have some in the gutters?


  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    That’s a beauty, Toro. I can’t tell from the pic, but is the trunk starting to butress?

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Thank you.

    Just barely. Its an Ogon and its limbed up a bit so nothing like that one in the front yard.

    It does have visible graft line and I'll admit I've stared at it a it lke the OP wondering if that was gonna be a thing 30 years from now when its an 80ft tree.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Can't sleep RN and trying to kill time so GW gets a post from me.

    I love my 'Ogon' and am glad I put it in a place that anticipated its ridiculously fast growth rate. (update - it is at least 50' now, see below) However the ascendant structure of the branches worries me a bit. I think they will be a slightly more susceptible to snow or ice loads than the horizontal branches of bald cypresses, i.e., all native Taxodium. (and even the Chinese Taxodium hybrids, of which I have 2) This will probably never matter "IRL", but it's something I can't help but wonder about.



    It parallels my worries about my Cupressus duclouxiana 'Eric's Form' which is possibly C. chengiana. It too has steeply ascending branches - but it's far more of a concern because of course it's evergreen. Because of the Himalayas and the Siberian high pressure system, China was NEVER a climate with heavy winter snow so there was no reason for adaptations to protect against it. And sure enough in an ice/snow storm back in 2014, my Chinese Cypress caught huge amounts of snow and ice in the "V" formed by those branches, and thus had its trunk completely twisted and bent, so that the top 3/4 was in a fully horizontal position! Not good! Amazingly, it didn't snap and I was able to right it using one of these and some poly rope. Took only 18 months before it didn't need the rope anymore and could stay upright on its own again. But I worry for its long term success here. (not due to cold, at least - no damage whatsoever in the polar vortex winters)

    So I would say, all deciduous conifers are probably generally rather storm resistant and I'd be happy planting them near a house, even on the US east coast. But I wouldn't put Metasequoia at the top of the list. (I might put it at the top of the fastest growing conifer list!)

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    And btw, now re-reading this thread for some reason, all I can say about one topic is "look ma, no graft line!" It was sorta noticeable when it was < 3 inch caliper.

    Also, looking at the picture of mine with fresh(er) morning eyes, the very most ascending branches seemed to be the lowest ones, and I've trimmed those. Still it's easy to look at its form compared to my next largest deciduous conifer and see that while the T502 Taxodium hybrid started producing some nearly perpendicular branches quite early on, even when it was < 10' tall, all of the DR branches are still upsweeping. The Metasequoia actually has a less crowded and less densely branched outline, so in a real snow/ice worst case scenario, they might not fare so differently. (And would still be better than 95% of other trees!) Worst case scenario? I'm thinking of the epic early snowstorm of roughly a decade ago, that saw heavy, wet snow falling on still-leafed out trees in late October. As near to me as northern Lancaster County where some stations had 7 inches IIRC, but extending along the "interior zone 6 contour lines" all the way up to Connecticut, where many people were without power for a week. (The storm actually dumped snow well beyond that, but north of CT, most trees had already lost their leaves so it didn't cause the same incredible damage to neighborhoods. I remember some of the pictures were really awful...a street with half of the tree having broken limbs. Looked like F1 tornado damage.)