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Lighting help for unconventional kitchen with banquette dining!

3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

We bought a home- like many others' first homes, absolutely not at all our dream home- this past March. We spent two months gutting it and have been rebuilding it since. Our biggest feat has certainly been the layout and finding ways to make it all feel more open, though admittedly much of our design feels unconventional because of our desire to open it up.

Case at hand- kitchen. Due to the inability to open the center of the home up, we were limited with what we could do by just eliminating the two walls along the length of the home to open that up. We chose to install our kitchen galley style, L-shaped, about 22’x12’, moving dining in-kitchen along the interior wall. Due to the lack of availability in seating that I like, I’ve decided to build a banquette bench that runs up the height of the wall behind (OR, shorter height with a huge price of art framing it out in the back)- which we can nestle our custom built table (30x84, on casters) into when we don’t have company.

Anyhow, I’m struggling to figure out the lighting for the in-kitchen dining area. We recently had track lighting installed along the length of the kitchen itself and we LOVE it- will not be changing that out. Will be adding single canned lights above each window and potentially a few others throughout. I was originally thinking of hanging pendant lights (on a slider- or with a secondary hook for when we move the table out 18"-24" for guests) but do not want to make this area any busier than it needs to be. Was also considering a long (42”?) modern LED strip pendant (which would also need to be on a slider), but I’m super unsure.

Our electrician comes NEXT WEEK, so I need to decide on a light (or multiple) for the dining area.

Any recs on lighting (or tips to figuring out the best lighting options myself) would be so appreciated! I’m interested in understanding how, when you have full autonomy in lighting, you choose the type of lighting, style, etc. to make it bright enough and very aesthetic.

*Still to do-

-build decorative vent hood

-trim out top of hutches

-add reeded glass film and organize hutches

-build matching storage below hanging hutches to bridge space between hutches and countertop

-build encasement for shelf under long window

-build encasement for fridge including slim broom closet at end, and shelf between sink and fridge

-build a banquette seat

-build a feature wall behind the banquette

-find a 4x8 rug for the dining area

Don’t need recs on any of that ^, or decor (because frankly we’re just not there yet)… but if you know of a way to send me more hours in a day to chip away at our list faster THAT would be really really helpful :P

Thanks in advance!!!

















*Adding photo of inspiration for the banquette I intend to build. This one is by the incredible Corn Upholstery! I aim to either build mine to the ceiling, or lower with a custom art print to completely fill the space between it and the ceiling to make the wall behind more of a feature.




Comments (18)

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Banguette seating is a PITA at proper table height at bar table height IMO not doable . It is hard to get in and out of for sure in a dress or skirt and older people do not like sitting on a stool to eat. Something on wheels even worse . My suggestion before going to much further maybe post a to scale plan of the whole house and also the kitchen. I would never put film on a kitchen cabinet glass door the space between the uppers you show and the counter is too small . Sorry but some things are just better left to pros. Not sure what you mean by decorative hood but it needs to be vented to outside either out a wall or throught the roof . There is no place for storage in that tint space between the uppers and the counter that was poor design.

    Autumn Paciorek thanked Patricia Colwell Consulting
  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Add another track near it for symmetry. Get RID of any rug under the table, It's visual clutter . Basically? Stop adding.

    If the wheels are your worry? take them off. or trade for some that will not mar the floor. No to the banquette, Tuck different backless stools if you must, on that side.

    Autumn Paciorek thanked JAN MOYER
  • 3 years ago

    Wow, it looks great so far! I think adding another row of track lights to match the other is a great idea. You can easily shine them as the position of the table changes. Many of us older folks dont like the idea of banquette seating or bar height tables so you’re going to get push back about those choices. But if you and your guests are young, it may suit your lifestyle. You can change it down the road if your needs change. I would probably remove the casters and just lift the table into place when you need to move it. Good luck and enjoy your new home!

    Autumn Paciorek thanked Olychick
  • 3 years ago

    I forgot to add that any rug which will work when the table is pulled out will have to be large enough that the chair legs also fit on it. That would be so large it would pretty much fill the whole floor area to the counter. You may want to rethink the chair choice to ones that won’t ruin your floor without a rug, that you can add protection to keep them from gouging tour floor.

  • 3 years ago

    @Patricia Colwell Consulting appreciate your criticism, though admittedly I did not come for that (and for future commentary: constructive commentary is always much more appreciated than blatant criticism). As mentioned: unconventional style kitchen. Not looking to fit into all of the "norms" you mention here ;)


    If you have lighting suggestions, of course, I am open to those.


    Thank you!

  • 3 years ago

    So is the 'island' lighting more for ambient, or tasks?

    Autumn Paciorek thanked everdebz
  • 3 years ago

    By directional lighting do you mean sconces or a wall hung track? I think visually a matching track to wat is there would balance it nicely, visually. If on a dimmer, it could provide nice ambience for dining and also direct brighter lighting for tasks. If you have a little one, that table will probably be used for projects, art, kid cooking, etc. wher where you’d want direct overhead lighting, Putting up a track fixture won’t preclude using sconces on the wall, too.

  • 3 years ago

    @everdebz Great question! The lighting over the table will be more for meals and to level out the broader lighting in the whole space as needed.

  • 3 years ago

    I have to assume that dimming is good feature - many say to buy brightest, and dim when needed.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    A bit of sculptural interest - Dimensions of 4-Light:

    29.5"L x 29.5"W x 8.3"H

    • 48W LED (4-Light) integrated, not dimmable

    https://www.amazon.com/JiuZhuo-Lighting-Ceiling-Fixture-4-Light/dp/B09K79FKB1/ref=sr_1_11

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09YRJZXXC/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4

    4 rings or 6 rings in all white, or black/white

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    This is dimmable. Not symmetrical rectangles.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VDMB9SF/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1

    from 3000K to 6500K, white light, natural light to warm light. Use the remote control to adjust the brightness.

    Lamp size 35.4 x 23.6 x 2.3" // Irregular ceiling plate: Click picture for details.

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Repeat the track . : ) Ingenuity and style is fine and great. Over think/over design is yet another thing. What was the reason for the track? Recessed light, ( ambient ) in combination with task light ( such as under the cabinet) is the best overall combo to light the space. You already have the track.......: ) so repeat. The spot isn't suited to pendants

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Two options, put track and then install some swag hooks for when you need to lift them. BUT a light that is on a pully, meaning though it would stay in place when the table is pulled out it could also be raised up out of the way and almost become a semi flush while still giving plenty of light, it would also go with the rustic/vintage style. If you continue the track I would complete the U shape and bring it around that way you have no dark spots. ( personally I would have done 2 circuit track so you could opt to have all or some of the lights on). They also make pendant adapters for track so you could hang pendants off the track and just get some cheapies to see if you like that look. I think you would over time become annoyed at having to move them up and over.


  • PRO
    3 years ago

    I love your kitchen!

    I do agree with others - go with a track , but the thought of swagging a light fixture is very appealing!!

  • 3 years ago

    I find your kitchen interesting and surprisingly appealing, doubly so because you did it yourselves (love the cremone bolts on the uppers!). However, I agree with others; as pretty as the banquet is, please reconsider. At least try to find a restaurant or bar that has counter or bar height banquet seating and see if it works. If you use stools instead, there would be no need to have a wall. Congratulations on your new home and how beautiful you've made it so far!