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Paint DNA help - same color different sheen for cabs? another color?

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Existing kitchen & entire condo already recently painted with Glidden Swiss Coffee (creamy white). It’s a good color for the space & the Saltillo tile, except for the semi-gloss sheen !!! :(

Inspo pic from Houzz (not this grand of course). Island charcoal gray (like the grout) perimeter cabs white, SS appliances & sink, satin nickel hardware & faucet.

There is a PPG cabinet paint I’d like to try – Break-Through. HD sells it, they will mix whatever brand/color I want. I will be following all proper prep and priming protocols. The dilemma is - what color? Do I use Glidden Swiss Coffee in Satin? I would have done satin anyway but preferably with flat sheen walls!!, alas, that ship has sailed. Or, another white that works with Swiss Coffee (SC)? I tried figuring out the chroma to find one .20 away from SC, but couldn’t accomplish that. Perhaps a kind soul who uses the paint color DNA would help me?


Below is the backsplash tile I’ve chosen, and a small sample of the quartz countertop. Both have a warm white base.

Lots of warm whites should work with the tile and counter, but which one? SW Alabaster looks beautiful with the tile and counter, but does it work with the wall color? I like SW Iron Ore for the island color, do you agree? Another suggestion?

Links:

Tile

Countertop

Glidden Swiss Coffee

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    Maybe this as an option for the island?:


  • PRO
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    I got your message and I will take a closer look Weds. love your floor!

    beadsnsew thanked Flo Mangan
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    I’d start with changing the hardware and a green island.
    Maybe add some trim/ wainscoting to the island to make it more upgraded..

    beadsnsew thanked HU-187528210
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    James, thanks for your input. What paint do you consider a good cabinet paint?

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    Thanks again James, I will check them out.

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    The recommended paint brands are Pro types, they are great, I'm sure, but I'd better stick with something for a lay person like me and what I can get locally.

    @Flo Mangan...I have discovered that Dunn Edwards uses the Munsell color system, but I'm not sure if those Hue Value Chroma numbers align with The Land of Color (Lori Sawaya) numbers. I did find some Land of Color numbers for Glidden Swiss Coffee (the wall color):



    And SW Alabaster which I was trying to check:


    This one of Dunn Edwards:

    I will pick up some DE samples if there are some of their warm whites work with G Swiss Coffee.

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    A few more:







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    And yes Flo, the floor is awesome!

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    Thanks Lori! For the paint color recommendation, and for the "review" of Break-Through. Have you used Dunn Edwards Decoglo cabinet paint?

    So, to get the right paint for cabinets, I need a color muse to read what my counter and backsplash are? Would either paint store be able to do that for me, and can it read from tile that is textured? This tile has subtle ridges.

  • PRO
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    Dunn Edwards does not produce cabinet coatings either. If you are going to do the 85% of the work that is prep work, it does not make sense to fall down on the last little bit of the coating. Buy an X5, a respirator, and some gloves, and spray a professional grade coating.

    beadsnsew thanked DeWayne
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    DeWayne, I understand your comments. I had already looked into purchasing all of the things required to spray on a professional finish, it was cost prohibitive for this situation. As it is, I have painted furniture and cabinets previously with my trusty brush & roller, they turned out fine. Thank you, though.

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    So, to get the right paint for cabinets, I need a color muse to read what my counter and backsplash are?


    Yes, they are the jumping off point. Inspiration to inform the paint color choice.


    That's the fastest, easiest and most certain way to do it. We require hue family inventory for all fixed finishes and important elements so we include a Color Muse in the kit we send our virtual clients.


    The process in a nutshell:


    Would either paint store be able to do that for me,


    The only data value you need is the LCh hue angle. And, yes, every computer behind every counter displays LCh values. The hard part is the person behind the counter - the majority have stared at those numbers for decades and have no clue what they are.


    So if you can get the right person to actually read the screen and tell you what the hue angles are, then it could work. But don't count on it.


    Just because someone works at a paint store or for a paint brand doesn't mean they're a color expert. Paint expert, sure. Color expert, not so much.


    and can it read from tile that is textured? This tile has subtle ridges.


    We measure textured materials all the time.


    Multi point averaging in the protocol. Measure the material in 3 to 5 areas and then average the hue angle.


    Usually, the color way runs through the material; so you can capture the colors from the sides and/or back where there is less texture.






    beadsnsew thanked Lori A. Sawaya
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    Thank you Lori. I have ordered the Color Muse. I have a sample of the paint color you recommended, but have not tried it yet as I'm in the middle of prepping.

    HaHa, you are spot on! They stared at me when I asked if they could scan my countertop and backsplash samples to get the Munsell color codes (this was at Dunn Edwards - the one that uses the codes!!) they didn't have a clue what I was referring to. They directed me to their "color consultant" and he said it is the first time in the 10 years he's been there anyone asked to compare the chroma from those codes! He didn't even know what they were, he was just eyeballing it, and under florescent lighting no less : (

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    The Color Muse arrived, it's kind of fun! Hopefully I followed the steps correctly...these are the results of several scans each of backsplash tile and countertop, with averages of Hue Angle and Chroma:



    Then I searched the Paint Color DNA Table for whites (PPG since I've decided to use their BreakThrough Paint):


    And for the Island - Near Neutrals/Blacks/Off Blacks (I stayed in the YR family for these, was that right?):



    Lori, is there a white in the list that is a good choice for a nice contrast with backsplash/countertop but not a super bright white?

    And, did I do the right thing by searching in the YR family for grays to work best with the floor? Or, should I also scan the grout and Saltillo? If I did search right, is there one in the lists that will provide a little drama to the space? I don't want it to just look gray drab.

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    I'm leaning toward trying a sample of Commercial White, but it is on the cool side of yellow, could it work without "fighting" with the warm tile & counter?

    Hmm, most of the whites on the list are on the cool side...?

    I do still have the Dunn Edwards Cool December sample to try. I like it, also.

    Still working on prep, some of the cabinets have some bad areas that need extra attention : (

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    I'm getting samples of Commercial White and Black Magic next week, hoping they work.

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    Color report...Commercial White didn't work, it was too similar to the wall color which it should not have been, perhaps it was a fluke and was mixed wrong...I did have Dunn Edwards mix the sample of a PPG color. I tried several other samples, settled on Cool December, painted a coat on the uppers, but it was way too bright a white, the walls looked orange! So, went back to the DNA table and picked one with more chroma...Dunn Edwards Milk Glass was the winner, just a bit of creamy so it both plays nice with the walls & still brightens the space.

    Black Magic was a beautiful black, I would call it a true black. But I decided I wanted more of a soft black, so I settled on PPG Onyx. I think the color is perfect.

    I want to share my experience with the paint brands I used. I used PPG Break-Through in Black Onyx, the paint was very thin and after 3 coats (over 2 coats of primer) I finally felt like it was enough. It did dry very fast. BUT the finish (satin) was odd...if I brushed my had across it, it left a strange streak, even if using a cloth! I would not recommend it.

    I used Dunn Edwards DECOGLO (eggshell) cabinet paint, it is new (I only found 1 review) but decided to give it a try in their Milk Glass color. It is fantastic paint. Thick and applied great with brush or sponge roller & dried FAST. It was a great price for a quart, too. I did apply 2 coats (over 2 coats of primer) since it was old oak and I wanted to be sure I got good coverage. Definitely recommend it. Because I'd had good results with it, I had Dunn Edwards mix a quart of PPG Onyx and put a 4th coat of paint over the Break-Through, that did the trick, no more strange streaks when wiping it, again, DECOGLO is a great paint.

    I will show after pics once the countertops and backsplash are in. Countertops have been a nightmare (latest reason was the wrong slab thickness was received), we are on our 4th install date : ( Not fun without a counter and sink for a month!

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    Countertop finally installed, I decided it needed a different backsplash. Also liked tiling with a 4x10 tile instead of 3x6, less cutting, quicker to layout.


    Very happy with the results...




  • PRO
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    Using the grout color between brick/stone is one of my go-to strategies. Never thought about it interior with Saltillo tile - it works. The backsplash color relates to the grout and connects the color schemem. Nice job, you must be so pleased. :)

    beadsnsew thanked Lori A. Sawaya
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    Thank you Lori, yes, I am very pleased, it feels "right".

    And you got it why I switched backsplash! I thought I liked what I'd originally picked until the countertop when in, and like so many have said on Houzz, don't try to pick backsplash until your cabs/counters are done, they are so right!

    The original tile was just blah and more of the creamy. Since there are gray flecks in the countertop it seemed like a good choice for the backsplash, and this tile was a warm gray - I used my Color Muse and your tables : ), providing a bit of contrast with cabs/counter, and played nice with the soft black island and the floors! : ) : )

    Thank you again for your help and sharing your knowledge!

  • PRO
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    Great look!

    beadsnsew thanked Flo Mangan
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    I used my Color Muse and your tables : ), providing a bit of contrast with cabs/counter, and played nice with the soft black island and the floors! : ) : )

    Shut the front door! (or cabinet door)

    Swear I had no clue. The tight, absolutely on-point color relationships landed for me as soon as I saw the picture - evident even on my monitor.

    Can't just eyeball it and pull something like this together. I love Paint Color DNA Table success stories. Thanks. 🌈❤️

    beadsnsew thanked Lori A. Sawaya
  • PRO
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    P.S. by no clue I mean I didn't get notifications of any posts after mine a month ago. I absolutely would have commented back, @beadsnsew

    beadsnsew thanked Lori A. Sawaya
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    HU-187528210, I forgot to mention...I would have used your idea of trim on the island if I had painted it white, but didn't think it would show much with the black and there will eventually be counter stools. I did use one of your suggestions - of green - in the decor items. The chandelier over the table is green, using it in decor items makes a nice flow through the room. There are bits of greens throughout the house, such a natural with Saltillo. Thanks again.


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    Chandelier should hang much lower…..looks lonely up there

    beadsnsew thanked Barbara Brenneman
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    AgreeAgreed.

    beadsnsew thanked trinoja2
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    You are right Barbara and trinoja2, saving to have an electrician lower it, thanks.

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    The paint is not the problem - that dropped ceiling ruins the room! Worry more about getting it removed and then cabinets up to the ceiling. Avoid greys & blacks - thankfully people are coming to their senses and realizing grey and black does NOT belong in the interior of a home! No where in a home except handles on pots/pans and places like that!

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    Get rid of the black and stainless - use white and pastels!!! Black cabinet are HIDEOUS!!!

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    Thank you terrib962 for taking the time to comment, but I disagree with everything you said. This kitchen is transformed, bright, works with existing wall paint & floors, and most important - makes me happy 🙂. I used colors and finishes that work in this space, please me, and fit our budget - not the latest trend being spread in design circles.

    My dilemma was about the color DNA of paint, which was resolved.

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    I am not sure what exactly you did but it turned out fantastic!! Lol-science -not just eyeballing samples??!!

    beadsnsew thanked dee_mckervey
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    Thanks so much dee!! There are so many whites among all the paint brands it is confusing to know what is going to work with existing elements. I’ve painted rooms/furniture before based on a chip I thought looked just right, but not so much on completion. I really wanted to get these cabinets right the first time. I‘d read Lori Sawaya’s comments about the DNA of paint on other threads (& Flo Mangan’s who also uses Lori’s system) & was hoping with their help I could get a good result. It worked!

    While you can find the DNA when you know the paint name (like the wall color), it really helped using the Color Muse to learn the DNA (science) of the countertop/tile/floor. Staying in one hue family and getting the right chroma balance made all the difference in this space. 🙂

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