Wonderful you tube video on Eufloria shows their farm green houses in Nipoma, CA, near Santa Barbara.

Eufloria roses were even displayed at White House occasions.

Excepts from you tube video, Eufloria green house

.Cut Fkowers at Eufloria farm

Blusjing Parasol wins SAF top honors Outstanding Variety Competition 2014

Blushing Parasol in Floral Management magazine

I read that Eufloria’s fertilizers & watering system is controlled by computers, fine-tuned for optimum growth. With centuries if experience & expertise, it seems difficult to compete with their brilliance in rose growing!

TODAY

They are now growing Eufloria rose bushes for A&A, shipped to us customers. Wow! I’d like to order a couple dozen!

Next season. 😊🥀

My 3 new A&A-Eufloria roses bushes are super healthy, large thick canes, & dark green shiny leaves ! Perfection!

If only I had a computer measuring my fertilizer, water, and green house to grow them, too! Lol! Love adding these 3 to my garden.

Kitty, now we all know you're an AA influencer and have left GRF! (Just kidding!)
I was honestly trying to get my second grafted Miyabi from GRF, but unfortunately, it came with gall.

P.S. Not sure where to share this, but I’m really excited — my second-year own-root Thierry Marx just produced new canes the size of a pencil! It gives me hope that, with a little luck and proper care, own-root roses can be vigorous for me too.

I am satisfied with A&A. Eufloria has me intrigued. I’d like to visit the Eufloria farm and see how they grow cut roses and potted bush roses. Francis’ Roses Farm , founder of A&A, is the biggest wholesaler of roses in US & Canada with generations of history.. Eufloria is considered a leader in the rose industry with centuries of horticulture experience. 2 giants in the rose industry partnering. May be difficult for smaller rose businesses to compete with them. i enjoyed watching the Eufloria you tube video showing their farm, green houses and workers. Interesting how they grow sustainable roses. Nice to be their customer.

GRF is a smaller new business. Although she found the market: selling florist rose bushes to gardeners.

The florist rose market for bush roses is now a very exciting innovation! Especially if gardeners can obtain healthy hardy roses!

Sorry about your second grafted Miyabi. Own-roots grow slow first year, but more vigorous second/third years. Most of my hundred roses are own-roots-the mature ones are super vigorous.

Btw, I love reading and sharing when I find a fascinating subject. Check out A&A and ,Eufloria, read about their heritage, and see what you think? . I used to live near Pasadena, saw the Rose Parade, went to the Melrose Market where EUFLORIA sells cut flowers. Eufloria is a few hours north of Los Angelos. Wish I could visit now.

I enjoy florist roses and would love to work in that industry ir just tour all of it. Go visit Europe and talk to the growers Jan Spek Rozen, De Ruiter, VIP Roses, and more, travel to Columbia and see Milagro & Alexandria Farms. It’s all very interesting! Then see all the great English gardens in Europe! And the tulip gardens in Kopenhoff! And tour the NYC rose gardens! LOL!

For those who are not happy with AA potted roses they are offered shipping label and full refund.

Shipping label to return thexroses elena ?

Yes, Lilly. I was offered shipping labels and a refund, but the issues with damage, wilting, and signs of disease were not acknowledged.

Thank you for reaching out. It's important to note that bugs are a common occurrence in all plants, including roses. These roses are advertised as rose connoisseur roses which are designed for seasoned gardeners. These roses are more delicate and demand precise attention, including advanced pruning, fertilizing, and pest control.

Specifically, we keep an eye out for pests like aphids and thrips. While rose midge is quite uncommon and requires a trained eye to identify, we want to reassure you that any natural pest issues can be easily managed.

We recommend using a single application of malathion if you notice bugs, which should effectively resolve the issue. There are also natural remedies like neem oil and soap.

Additionally, all our roses are certified by the California Department of Agriculture and are eligible for shipping across the United States.

If you do not want to keep the roses then we can send you a shipping label to return the roses and issue a refund.

PS. This is how they advertised their potted roses:

Bring your garden to life with our Potted Rose Bush Collection, featuring a curated selection of well-established roses ready to flourish. Each potted rose arrives already rooted and leafed out, making it easy to enjoy instant color, form, and fragrance with minimal effort. Whether you're planting in the ground or displaying on a patio, these roses are perfect for creating an immediate, long-lasting impression. With a variety of colors, sizes, and bloom styles to choose from, there’s something in this collection for every garden and every gardener.

And this is how my last rose arrived.

Sorry elena this made me laugh … These roses are more delicate…

so please dont just chuck them in a beautiful box and burlap sack with no securing? thats all . lol

im otherwise happy with my order . for now lol

sorry i dont know how to get my font back to normal after copying that line 🤪

your last rose is nice enough but a little dissapointing , no ?

Elena,

I am sorry the last rose was not fully leaved out. I hope you let A&A see the photo. Eufloria is new to shipping rose bushes and may need to train workers-that one slipped by shipping supervisors, it appears. You could retutn it & ask a replacement? I hope you enjoyed the rest of your order.

Well, at least there weren't galls on this rose. I know that's the other drama with GRF, not A&A. I am sorry, Elena. That looks awful. Perhaps, a dose of Malathion will make it look better. Diane

No any drama, just working moments with new vendors.

I'm really surpised that they didn't put bamboo canes in the pots to secure them in the boxes. It seems like a no-brainer. I assume nearly every potted plant I receive in the mail will have a bamboo cane in it. It's cheap and effective.

OK — just a quick update from the Roses Vendors FB group (thanks to the person who created it! 😊):
There’s an ongoing discussion about AA’s potted roses. It turns out they were propagated and grown hydroponically, which explains the unusual root system — a dense ball of roots mixed with perlite.

These roses are covered under a 90-day warranty. I received a shipping label and plan to return all four.

Just a heads-up in case it helps anyone else!

PS. No drama or hard feelings! :)

Elena, thanks for the heads-up on the thread about A&A on the Rose Vendors Feedback group. I'm a member, but usually run out of time to read it. Really interesting.

Elena,

Will you be getting replacements? A shame to not receive lovely plants.

Interesting! Eufloria roses are grown in coconut fiber hydroponics.

If you read about them supplying their roses to the White House, The Pasadena Rose Parade and the Kentucky Derby-they have quite a successful business. ————————————————

ROOTS

i looked at the Rose Vendors Feedback FB….. one person says her A&A roots are in a dense ball. Another person showed her A&A roots filling out at edges of the soil from the pot. I think roses grow differently. Some rose varietiety roots are more vigorous than others.

No, Kitty, I was not asking for replacement.

I think AA needs to do a better job to explain how to plant their potted roses in ground.

Roses grown in coconut fiber hydroponics (often seen in mass-production greenhouses, especially for florist or tissue-cultured roses) can adapt to ground soil, but there are a few things you should know to ensure a successful transition:

✅ Pros

1. Healthy roots (in theory): If well-grown, hydroponic roses often have dense, white roots due to oxygen-rich media like coco coir.
2. No soil-borne diseases: Being soilless-grown, they likely haven't been exposed to common pathogens like crown gall or nematodes.
3. Lightweight medium: Coco fiber retains moisture well and allows for easier shipping.

⚠️ Challenges When Planting in Ground Soil

1. Root Shock Risk: The roots are used to a sterile, oxygen-rich environment. Sudden exposure to heavy or compacted garden soil can cause stress or even partial dieback.
2. Nutrient Transition: Hydroponic plants are fed via liquid nutrients. Garden soil may not provide the same immediate availability of nutrients, so you must amend the planting hole.
3. Root Ball Shape: The dense, matted root ball in coco coir often forms a tight circle. If not loosened, roots may fail to spread into native soil and become pot-bound in the ground.

🌱 Best Planting Practices

1. Gently loosen or slice the root ball: Encourage outward root growth. Don’t leave them in a coco-coir "brick" in the hole.
2. Soak in water or weak root stimulator: Before planting, hydrate them well.
3. Amend the soil: Mix compost and well-draining materials into your native soil if it's clay-heavy or poor.
4. Avoid fertilizer burn: Don’t over-fertilize right away—use something gentle like a root stimulator or mycorrhizal fungi instead.
5. Shade for a week: Provide light shade if transplanting in hot weather to reduce shock.

🔁 Summary

Hydroponically-grown roses can thrive in the ground, but the key is in transition care. Think of them as greenhouse babies that need help adjusting to the “real world” of soil life.

Elena,

i read last night about growing rioses hydroponically in coco coir, confirming your post. It’s a wonderful post and nice facts.

. My concern is that coco coir has few to no nutients almost. It appears one needs to repot or plant asap our new A&A potted roses to get them nutients.asap. They were being fed, by the grower,, Eufloria EUFLORIA, hydroponically, nutrients, but now they are not receinvibg any mutrients when delivered to our homes., while growing soley in coco coir.

Cocunut Coir has generaly no nutitiinal value, but some nitrogen. Not enough in itself to grow roses in.

IT’s a little transition for ”all customers,” to immediately remove them from some of the coco coir in the pot and give them new nutrient rich soil. Customets need to know to do this.

I ordered Espoma potting soil & garden soil last night for them. First I will repot them in slightly bigger pots with new Espoma organic soil rich with worm casting, fish meal, poultry meal & alfalfa in the soil. Later I will plant them in the garden w/ Espoma Garden soil.

I also plan to water them weekly with liquid fish fertilizer and some Plant Tone on upper layer of soil., organics.

I have read that you really can’t over do it with organic fertilizers. However, I would use them reasonably-not too much-balance is good. . Use of chemival fertilizers when roses start to first grow can ”burn roots.” Over use of chemical fertilizes definitely burn.

Conversing with A&A about customers growing these new coco coir hydrponically grown roses-planting instructions is an excellent idea. To include a list of planting instructions sounds advisable in the delivery box. Writing growing these potted rise growing /planting instructions on their website may be an option.

I hope those receiving these new Eufloria/A&A potted roses read our posts or contact A&A and learn about how to care properly for these roses.

They are really beautiful! I am soooo grateful & excited to have my 3 new A&A potted rises!

They are lovely! Love to order more…. later. 😊🥀🌺

Kitty, no doubt that with your experience and creativity, your AA potted roses will thrive beautifully! 🌹

I just don’t have the energy this season to nurse florist-type roses that arrived in less-than-ideal condition. I’m honestly relieved the return process was straightforward.

This year, I’m focusing on my own-root roses- I’ve bought quite a few and still don’t have enough experience with them yet.

I’d really love to hear how things go with yours, so please keep us posted on your progress!

Elena,

Thank you!

if you wished to post a photo of your own roots on the spring thread maybe we can discuss what type of care they need? However, I just keep the under 1 year old baby own roots in pots most if the season and olant them near the end. I give them fish fertilizer & Plant Tone regularly. If they look about 1 1/2 years old-big, then I plant them in ground. The first season the small babies griw slowly usually, bloom a little,, but I enjoy watching them grow. The 2 year old own-roots grow up to 2-3 feet and bloom a lot, sometimes.

I should post update my my ”Japanrse & European Garden Houzz thread, soon….add my A&A roses & other new roses from winter/spring…..______________________________.

Ok….., I UPDATED My J& E Garden Houzz thread……. some photos of bare roots on porch today. They are soaking & it’s been raining. After they were inside I moved them outside to the porch where they are hardening off-soon to plant. They seem to be doing really well leafing on the porch for 6 days outside now…… . On my coming days off I need to plant!

Gelato May 4, 2025

Gelato jumped ahead to have the most leaves of the bare roots & thickest canes, longest roots.

Thanks, Kitty — your new roses look absolutely stunning!
I can’t seem to stop buying roses from Hillside Farm myself. Most of them come from 3-gallon pots, are at least two years old, and are fully ready for planting in garden beds. I only potted them temporarily to avoid any potential disease issues — and so far, they’re looking really good!

Elena,

Thank you!

Hillside Farms sound fabulous! I’m going to check it out tomorrow! Could you show any photos on your Hillside Farm new roses?

What is the name of your rose below, where is it from, & how long has it been growing in the ground? It looks fabulous!

And what is the name of this rose & where is it from? It is gorgrous and already blooming!

Kitty, the young bare root rose is Annuschka from AA, the another one is Earth Angel, I bought it from local nursery already blooming among with Bliss and PCDM. I love to have bloomed roses very early.

The most impressive bare root this season is a tissue rose Dancing in the Dark from AA.

I have posted some of the Hillside Farm pictures somewhere.Good luck with them!

Elena,

I think your roses tend to be ahead of mine. Your zone is a little warmer. When you received A&A bare roots, a little earlier than me, was it warm for you to put them outside? (I had frosts in March so mine stayed inside & transistioned to outside end of April. It was a colder spring this year for me, zone 6a.) I looked at your zone 6b weather & you can get 2-10 degrees warmer than me on average. I have 70sF next week when you have several 80sF-my you can be warmer! It looks like you have warmer weather than NYC by a few degrees in May, yet NYC is zone 7. NYC near the coast, probably is milder this spring now. I see you had lots of early 80sF this year. Wow! Jump starts your roses!

Your A&A bare root Anuschka is looking rich and green-growing well! Wonderful!

A&A’s tissue culture rose-Dancing in the Dark is really growing fast! WOW! Looking good!

Wow! Blooming roses at your nursery! Gorgeous blooming Bliss & other roses! I saw a few blooming roses at my grocery now for May Day! They are finally here!

Kitty,

I've learned so much from rose growers in Zones 4 and 5—many of them say that as long as the ground isn’t frozen, bare root roses can safely be planted. I’ve followed the same approach with all of mine, and I simply cover them with pots for protection.

Since I grow a lot of petunias and tomatoes from seed, I don’t have the luxury of space to keep roses indoors. Last year, I brought in a few own-root roses, but unfortunately, they brought spider mites with them—and those eventually made their way to my cucumbers.

That said, my local climate might be a touch milder—we live on a hill, and the yard is fenced, which seems to create a slightly warmer microclimate. I’ve started pruning at the end of February or early March, just to stretch the growing season a bit. It’s a gamble, I know, but with plenty of pots on hand, I’m always ready to cover and protect.

My rose season usually runs from May through late November. This spring has been unusually cold, so the roses are just now beginning to bloom—whereas last year, the first flush arrived nearly two weeks earlier.

Hi, Elena,

Your season sounds quite longer than mine. Late Feb prune & blooms through Nov. i need to winterize by 1st week of Nov. I couod have blooms, but I should discourage it-winter & frosrs start sometime in Nov.

Insects on indoor roses is challenging. I have

had my share. Next season I olan to skip indoor roses, well, maybe just 1-2. LOL!

My rose blooms were early last season starting in mid-May. This sesson it’s been cooler & I oruned way back, but I hope I get rose blooms by the usual Memorial Day weekend-Jube 1st when it starts. (I have some frosts in March every few nights. In April I sometimes have a few frosts in the month. I start my early. oruning in mid-March I may finish by mid-April with over a hundred to prune. Most gardeners here may wait to start pruning in mid-April-too late for me. On baby roses, though I prune the latest to help them survive frosts. I cover babies with burlap & mound all-that’s it. The mature roses do fine for winter.

Your rose season is defintely ahead of mine. So lovely to see your blooms and leafed out-healthy roses! Interesting that being in a jill may make it warmer. Your garden must be lovely and so many beautiful bloomers this season! Love to see them as they bloom! Keep us posted!

@SD Shine - Z10a Bay Area

@Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca

@elenazone6

GROWING A&A-EUFLORIA OWN ROOT ROSES-POTTED IN COCONUT COIR,

GROWN BY EUFLORIA IN CA:

How are your planted A&A-Eufloria roses growing? (Elena-I think you returned yours.)

I am wondering how healthy they are now after you all potted or planted yours in ground? Fertilized and added new soil?

I potted my 3 A&A-Eufloria roses a week ago. Blushing Parasol, Perky Parasol and Northanger Abbey. I was concerned about them being potted by Eufloria in coconut coir soil and perllite. I put 2 of my new roses in larger pots w/ added organic Espoma soil-I kept their roots in tact and coco coir/perlite stayed intact-they look the same now-green leaves-healthy after repotting. I plan to give them fish fertilizer on Monday-to get more nutrients into the coco coir soil near roots.

My Blushing Parasol lost some of it’s coco coir soil-roots may have got damaged a little in transplanting to pot. It’s leaves partly turned yellow-greenish & I removed them yesterday. It has many leaves still green. It has orgainc soil and I am sure she will recover. She gets fish fertilizer tomorrow , too. Blushing Parasol has a bud getting ready to bloom!

I was reading about potting in coco coir. Best leave the roots alone & coco coir soil intact when you plant your new A&A-Eufloria own root roses. Add new organic soil , amend and fertilize with organics-so don’t burn baby new roots. .

I hope your roses planted well! They are so beautiful & unique! I can't wait to see blooms! I still love my 3 new A&A roses! Wish I could buy more of these A&A-EUFLORIA roses now! But I will wait until maybe later this season. I have 20 new roses to grow in my garden now…. many to plant. Need to catch-up. LOL!

I wondered the best way to plant these A&A-Eufloria potted own-root roses so I researched growing in coconut coir soil-attachment photos of research below…... I can see why Eufloria prefers to grow their florist roses in coco coir-perlite-to get “exact nutrients,” to their roses to produce the greenest leaves and precise rose colors from hydroponic-computer measured nutrients added to the coco coir potted roses.

Now how do we gardeners ”plant them with coco coir-perlite in their pots? How do we get them enough of the right nutrients? . I think over time our added organic soil ” added to our pots or holes will blend with the coco coir soil around their roots and they will be fine!

i am giving my 3 roses extra fish fertilizer for awhile this season. I am added Espoma Plant Tone and alfalfa later, too.

ARTICLES EXPLAIN GROWING ROSES IN COCO COIR:

Blusjing Parasol (internet photo)

Kitty, you are correct, I have retured my AA potted roses. But 2 bare root from them are doing great and will be blooming soon!

Dancing in the dark

Аннушка:) Have hard time to spell it in English.

Elena,

Wonderful! Beautiful photos of your roses!

Your 2 roses look fabulous! Very healthy! I love the big canes on them! ———————————————-

MY 2 A&A GRAFTED BARE ROOT ROSES are doing great with huge canes, too. i potted Chantilly Lace on thursday. (and 5 GRF roses.)

Chantilly Lace, A&A grafted bare root.

Newly potted. Middle below rose-front view. .

Chantilly Lace

Gelato, A&A grafted bare root.

Has such big thick long roots, I could not fit her into my large pots. She’s still soaking to be planted in ground on Monday, tomorrow.

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My 3 A&A/EUFLORIA newly potted OWN ROOT ROSES

photos are on ”My Japanese and European Rose Thread,” if you wish to peak…..I potted them last week.

I’m excited about receiving my first order from April and Ashley this week! I ordered 4 more for my orange border, because I realized I didn’t have quite enough to fill it up. The four I ordered are Orange Trendsetter, Living Coral, Georgia Peach and South Park. I was hoping to be able to pick them up in person but wasn’t able to find that option and anyway, they offer free shipping for three or more roses. It shouldn’t take long for them to reach my door since they’re only two hours away from me.

This is my order.

@judijunebugarizonazn8

Judy,

Soooo many of my favorite peachy roses! Beautiful! My faves are Georgia Peach, Living Coral and South Park! What beautiful florist roses you will have!

THE NEW EUFLORIA ROSES, sold by A&A:

Your order of 4 roses above is by A&A-grown by Eufloria roses as potted-own roots in CA. These roses are shipped from CA. I believe they are shipped from Santa Monica-I checked my shipping. (A&A/ Eufloria own roots are shipoed from Santa Monica, CA to your Arizona home. )

The other A&A grafted bare root roses are shipped from Francis Farm in Arizona.

Your border should be heavenly!

I have explained in above posts that A&A-Eufloria own root roses are potted in coconut coir and I gave some info on growing roses in coco coir in my above posts….

The bare roots I received from A&A are outstanding. Patsy Cline has already given me a huge, perfect, fragrant bloom and has several more buds. Pacific Blue and Royal Diva are both loaded with buds. One of the Royal Diva buds is just opening and the fragrance is wonderful. 10/10 and all the gold stars.

The potted plants, on the other hand, have been disappointing. South Park came with 2 stubby canes and barely a root ball and has been stagnant since potting up a month ago. Quicksand, Juwena, and Paradise Beach have also been stagnant, I hope this means they’re all busy growing roots. Blushing Parasol has put on some growth and even has a bud, so that’s good. Julianne came with only one living cane but it’s also been getting alfalfa meal and Great Big Roses and is sending up another cane.

For $55/per plant, I was at least expecting the health and vigor I get with Heirloom roses, which leaf out right away. I understand they are florist roses and not necessarily bred for vigor, but c’mon. I’m babying the heck outta them so fingers crossed that they end up thriving.

Kitty, I think the info you pulled up on growing in coco coir is interesting. It almost seems like it’s a disservice to the plants because it makes the shock of planting in a different environment that much worse. They now need to adapt the way they extract nutrients from organic matter, as supposed to literally being spoon-fed.

@SD Shine -Z10,

Growing A&A own root roses in coco coir is interesting. Yes. I agree that the own root roses seem to take longer to grow as do all own roots, , but with coco coir, they also have to adapt to a new nutrient way to absorb food which may be slowing them, too. My A&A/Eufloria own root roses are growing a little, but mainly adapting to new soil. Stagnant may mean adapting to new soil & food, but they probably need more nutrition-liquid fertilizer-immediate nutrition. . I think I will give my A&A/Eufloria own root roses ”liquid fish fertilizer,” almost weekly to try to nourish-speed up growth for awhile. Liquid fertilizer helps them grow faster-immediately. ) I think they need an immediate fertilizer as well as organic granules alfalfa & Plant Tone slow release granules/pellets. However, I love the legal A&A own-root roses available selection that comes with large canes! Eventually they should be beautiful!

Organic liquid fertilizers such as fish fertilizers speed growth asap and do it delicately.

Plant Tone and Alfalfa meal or pellets: Granule, meal, and pellet fertilizers take about a month to dissolve into the soil, reach the rose roots and be absorbed feeding the rose by slow release. Rose grows skowly forca month until receivi g the fertiluzer-then grows better if it has enough nutrition.

I have read that due to the sun in early spring/early summer and the cycle of seasonal growth, roses mainly grow leaves, then bloom, they do not grow roots much in this beginning season. Later in summer they stop blooming as much and replenish themselves by growing roots. Then they grow leaves and then blooms, again.

Keeping the growth cycle in mind, when a rose is planted, it sometimes takes time to adapt to its new environment. and foods. If it is very confortable and adapted in spring, it will put on mainly new leaves, then bloom. It does grow a little roots, not a lot, at this time. It will grow as a whole olant, but slowly, if it is own-root first year, and comfortably adapted. Grafted Bare root roses seem to grow faster, first year after being planted, adapt faster, , due to vigorous OGR root stock.

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Very excited for your A&A bare roots!

You have more sun than me, so yours are still growing faster than mine. I love to hear that your A&A bare roots are budding and blooming! Woohoo! They have such huge canes-they will be big bushes with lots of blooms! Sensational! Actually best roses I received this spring!

I’d love to see photos of your new A&A blooms, Patsy Cline, Pacific Blue, Royal Diva! And Juianne has great big roses-“blooms?” And any others as they grow?

Thank you for sharing your successes and concerns!

Kitty,
I know that with bare root roses, applying nitrogen fertilizer before the feeding roots are established is basically pointless. It seems the same principle applies to potted roses grown in coco coir.

Here’s the fertilizer plan:

When you receive own-root roses grown in coco coir, you're dealing with a unique starting point. Coco coir is a great soilless medium but lacks nutrients, so your fertilizing plan needs to compensate for that while avoiding overfeeding young roots. Here's a tailored fertilizing plan:

🌱 First 2 Weeks After Potting or Transplanting

• Goal: Reduce transplant shock and establish roots.
• Water only or use a very diluted seaweed/kelp extract or Superthrive (¼ strength).
• No nitrogen fertilizers yet.
• Optional: Light mycorrhizae or humic acid for root stimulation.

🌿 Weeks 3–4 (New Growth Appears)

• Start low-dose fertilizer:
  Use a balanced liquid fertilizer (e.g., 10-10-10 or 20-20-20) at ½ strength, once every 7–10 days.
• Optional: Alternate with fish emulsion + seaweed every other week.

🌸 After 1 Month (Established Growth)

• Switch to a more rose-targeted feeding schedule:

  • Every 2 weeks: A complete rose fertilizer (like Espoma Rose-Tone, Neptune’s Harvest, or liquid fertilizers like Jack’s Blossom Booster).
  • Use at ½ to full strength, depending on plant response.

⚠️ Important Notes:

• Monitor for salt buildup – coco coir can retain salts. Flush with plain water monthly.
• Use Cal-Mag (especially if using RO or distilled water) once a month or as needed — coco coir is known to bind calcium and magnesium.
• Don’t let the coco coir dry out completely — it’s hard to rehydrate and may cause root stress.

🧪 Optional but Helpful:

• Slow-release fertilizer (e.g., Osmocote) can be added after 4–6 weeks to reduce reliance on frequent liquid feeding.
• Add compost or worm castings into the potting mix if transplanting to soil to improve microbial life and nutrient buffering.

@elenazone6

@SD Shine

Elena,

Your fertilizer ideas sound very nice and well thought out. Lot’s of rose ”food for thought.” Thank you

FUN RESESEARCH IN GROWING IN COCO COIR:

Eufloria roses come with a whole pot of roots & feeder roots-they look 2 years old. They have been fed a balanced nutritional program for a long time before given to customers. I would recommend to give your new Eufloria a balanced nutrition program and to begin with using a ”watering based organic fertilizer,” as Eufloria used a hydroponic watering fertilizer for these roses to receive immediate nutrition .

When bare roots are dormant , the roots do not absorb fertilizers. However, as soon as they start growing I would give them balanced fertilizers. Bare roots vary, some coming with more of a root system than others.

There are many choices to fertilize the new A&A grafted and Eufloria potted coco coir roses. The following are a few ideas:

1. I use liquid fish fertilizers mixed together to receive balanced Nitrogen-Phosphorous-Potassium, “Alaska Fish fertilizer NPK 5-1-1 & Morbloom NPK 0-10-10..“ (Currently Walmart -free shipping-online has these fish fertilizers most inexpensive price & they are the richest formulas I have seen-thickest-concentrated.) In addition, I add balanced nutrional fertilizers Plant Tone or Rose Tone which have a rich list of balanced fertilizer ingredients such as worm castings, mycorrhizae, bone meal, chicken manure, and much more….. It’s a simple system I prefer and simple for ”average gardeners to follow.”

It seems to work well on my new Eufloria roses which are growing well.

2. Paul Zimmerman, a reknown rose consultant , recommends to plant your bare roots and other roses and fertilize with Rose Tone, then seaweed, and another time release granule product.

3. BAC company has a list of products they recommend to growers of roses in coco coir. I listed 2 of them here: BAC Root stimulator and BAC Bloom Stimulator. Attached photos show these products nutrient elements (including nitrogen.)

BAC Root Stimulator

BAC Bloom Stimulator

What I gather from BAC fertilizers for roses planted in Coco Coir is that their fertilizer is balanced and has sufficient nitrogen, phophorous, potassium, mycorrhizae, Yuccah, trace elements such as Calcium, iron, maganese, & more..

4. Alfalfa, Is another fully balanced fertilizer with an excellent reputation for fertilizing including having a growth hormone. .

SUMMARY

BAC seems to have similar ingredients to the other recommended fertilizers above. BAC just states it’s specifically made for plants grown in coco cour. Never the less, I think all these fertilizers work well.

My newly potted A&A-Eufloria Roses

Northanger Abbey

Blushing Parasol, middle-front

Perky Perasol

@elenazone6

Fun research on fish & seaweed fertilizers….

FISH MEAL & SEAWEED

Fish Meal ingredients above….8-13-3. High nitrogen 8, higher phosphorous p, low in potassium.

Seaweed Ingredients below…Nitrogen 1.7, .75 phosphorous, 5 potassium.

Both fish fertilizers and Seaweed have some nitrogen in them as well as phophorous & potassium.

I prefer gallons of Alaska Fish Fertilizer & Morbloom, mixed with water and apply because it’s a liquid., concentrated-more for the money, inexpensive, and fish fertilizers are highly recommended to rosariums and farmers. They work really well for me-I have seen amazing results. . The new potted Eufloria roses then receive “fast immediate,” nutrition from this liquid fish fertilizing system. . They received hydroponic nutrition before from Eufloria…. This new way I am giving them ”my garden hydro-supplied nutrition now. And I have organic Plant Tone ir Rose Tone which has all the other balanced nutritional elements a rose needs in slow release granules, too. . Again, my simple system for a simple gardener. .

@elenazone6

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

Did you order any Eufloria potted roses from A&A?

I guess A&A are working on instructions for planting their Eufloria potted in coco coir roses…..

A&A replied to my request to orovide planting instructions for their new A&A-Eufloria potted in coco coir-roses in the below email….

And a little more info on GROWING ROSES IN COCO COIR, referring to A&A-Eufloria potted roses:

Article says…. Add more Nitrogen to our nutrition program w/ roses grown in coco coir.

PLANT SHOCK AFTER REPOTTING OR FIRST PLANTING IN GROUND:

It’s recommended to lightly fertilize with a liquid organic fertilizer and later fertilize normally. I fertilize weekly for just few weeks ”light amounts.” with the 2 combined fish fertilizers mentioned in above posts. . Some fertilize monthly. later I fertilize fush fertiluzer monthly.

Then I add Plant Tone or Rose Tone first month. Next month I’ll add alfalfa. End of summer I add Plant Tone or Rose Tone again.

Try keeping it simple. Use 2-3 balanced fertilizers.

Just noticed that my post yesterday came up empty. Grrr. I posted a pic of my A&A order that arrived yesterday! So far, I am very happy. They all went into the ground yesterday evening.

Those look terrific, Judi, I’d be happy with them too. Looks like they learned to put sticks to prevent the plants from rolling around, they are taking in feedback.

@judijunebugarizonazn8

Marvelous roses boxed and I see they included sticks! Interesting new box design. Wonderful to see them all so healthy! I am glad to hear you are happy with them all!

They are improving their shipping already! Excellent!

Let us know how you care for them, fertilize and what planting soil amendments do you use for them? How are they doing?

I included an email in above post of A&A’s simple instructions for now-how to plant these new Eufloria potted roses in coco coir……..A&A said, ”transplant…. water… fertilizer.” A&A plans to post more details about planting them on their website.

A little more research for growing in coco coir…..Just Fun Food for Thought:

take it with a grain of salt…..

We will be planting our new A&A-Eufloria roses with their coco coir base potted soil and adding more of ”our soil” around it. It will eventually all blend together. Thetefore, we are not growing in just coco coir soil. These ideas from articles below are for growing in coco cour….. but nice nutritional ideas to start considerations or start with…..

I see BAC fertilizer is one synthetic fertilizer in the list.

Our A&A-Eufloria potted roses came in cocoir coir mixed with perlite, for starters. I believe we can just use our garden variety fertilizers and soil blends and acclimate our new roses to our gardens . (We don’t necessarily need ”specific coco coir fertilizers.) In the end fertilizing mediums such as ”worm castings, kelp, fish, seaweed, manures, alfalfa, bone meal, composts, and all the other organic amendments & fertilizers we love to add will benefit our roses!

April & Ashley….. in May 2025…..

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Ginger Bouquet

I need to order another Cafe Latte!

Love her mauve-coffee coloring!

Fun to see how they rose farm….

DELIVERY JUNE 9,

(I irdered couple weeks ago.) Niceeee!

I ordered a second Blushing Parasol, own-root potted by A&A-Eufloria which delivered today.

Tall-healthy-stick in pot so no broken cames. Excellent packaging!

Blushing Parasol

Kitty, how your others AA roses are doing?

@elenazone6

Elena,

My A&A grafted are bigger leafy and a few buds. One planted in a pot and one in the ground-both great and healthy! Gelato and Chantilly Lace. The best!

My 3 A&A potted roses are ok. They were transplanted to pots, lost some leaves- possible roots were juggled a little, but they are fine still adjusting to my rainy weather.

A&A says don’t disturb roots in the coconut coir soil when planting them. I am going to be very careful potting my new Blushing Parasol-not to disturb roots.

I need to garden & work daily right now, super busy…. gotta run….

i believed the new own-root, potted in coco coir A&A-Eufloria roses were grown in CA green houses (by Eufloria) before sent to customers, due to the hydroponic feeding-cultivating set-up and they look super green like they came out if a green house. So before planting I assumed I would need to harden them off first especially now I have rain anf 71F-80F all summer now! I wrote them an email asking about this.

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I received this email reply today from A&A. this morning. I am grateful for their quick reply.

So now the climatizing iof my new Blushing Parasol rose begins.

From A&A, These roses are climatized and out in my garden now-great!

Chantilly Lace, grafted, couple buds

Gelato, grafted, budded up

Planted about a week ago.