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9 months ago
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Just got this in the mail. April and Ashley, as some of you recall, were mentioned in a lawsuit as an undue upstart to Grace Rose Farms. Looks like they do intend to go ahead with this business. Someone on this forum said April and Ashley are the names of Francis Roses’ owners’ wives. Will let you know of any updates, it does say in the letter that *I* will be the first to know!🤣🍿

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    April & Ashley….. in May 2025…..

    Facebook….

    Ginger Bouquet





    I need to order another Cafe Latte!

    Love her mauve-coffee coloring!



    Fun to see how they rose farm….

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    DELIVERY JUNE 9,

    (I irdered couple weeks ago.) Niceeee!


    I ordered a second Blushing Parasol, own-root potted by A&A-Eufloria which delivered today.

    Tall-healthy-stick in pot so no broken cames. Excellent packaging!

    Blushing Parasol




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    Kitty, how your others AA roses are doing?

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    @elenazone6

    Elena,

    My A&A grafted are bigger leafy and a few buds. One planted in a pot and one in the ground-both great and healthy! Gelato and Chantilly Lace. The best!

    My 3 A&A potted roses are ok. They were transplanted to pots, lost some leaves- possible roots were juggled a little, but they are fine still adjusting to my rainy weather.

    A&A says don’t disturb roots in the coconut coir soil when planting them. I am going to be very careful potting my new Blushing Parasol-not to disturb roots.

    I need to garden & work daily right now, super busy…. gotta run….

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    i believed the new own-root, potted in coco coir A&A-Eufloria roses were grown in CA green houses (by Eufloria) before sent to customers, due to the hydroponic feeding-cultivating set-up and they look super green like they came out if a green house. So before planting I assumed I would need to harden them off first especially now I have rain anf 71F-80F all summer now! I wrote them an email asking about this.

    .

    I received this email reply today from A&A. this morning. I am grateful for their quick reply.


    So now the climatizing iof my new Blushing Parasol rose begins.

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    From A&A, These roses are climatized and out in my garden now-great!


    Chantilly Lace, grafted, couple buds


    Gelato, grafted, budded up

    Planted about a week ago.




  • 23 days ago


    I gave my Bumblebee from A&A to my aunt and she sent me this photo of it. It's a very healthy plant. I also got Pacific Blue from A&A and that one is also very healthy though the light colored petals got a bit burnt in the hot sun.

  • 19 days ago
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    KL

    Bumblebee is very bright & beautiful! Love to see Pacific Blue? Thank you for sharing.

    Updates….

    I ordered a second Blushing Parasol in June which is growing well & will be repotted this week.

    Blushing Parasol, 3 weeks on porch, it has hardened off now….& growing… needs potted.

    This is all new growth-stem/leaves on top of BP below…


    Lots of new growth on BP, top view


    My Northanger Abbey didn’t survive repotting & A&A us sending me a replacement next week. YAY!

    Perky Parasol is barely making it, but has 1 main cane & 2 branching stems with finally growing leaves! A&A said they’d replace if didn’t make it, but it is now growing….YAY!


    Chantilly Lace has new growth


    It was very rainy, cloudy and very little sun in April/May so these new potted roses hardly grew, but now they just started with new growth. (The bare roots grew in siaking water fine, but they all took a rest in the new pots the month of May & didn’t grow hardly.) They all are happily growing in lots of sunny June now. Actually itvwas too hot 95F 3 days and 87F. Today it rained and dropped to 77F. Mainly low 80sF for the rest of June now.

    Gelato adjusting to her new ground spot & has several mini blooms. The leaves are starting to darken & harden.











    Gelato blooms are strong thick oetals-the prettiest pink minis!

    I am looking forward to seeing Northanger Abbey next week! And A&A will be sendibg me Charming Cornelia in fall or soring,. More to look forward to.

  • 19 days ago
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    E Ana Bordon-NEW at A&A

    She previously worked for GRF, but now she is Chief Operating Officer of A&A and Chief Marketing Officer at Francis Rose Farm.









    What a great asset to A&A and Francis Rose Farm! With a Marketing degree from Cal Poly! Wow! I guess the ”largest rose wholesale farm in North America,-Francis Rose Farm, & A&A, can really use her! Woohoo!

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    I am really sold on these florist roses from A&A & other vendors. My last year new florist roses are doing super well now! Thick petaled blooms-thicker stronger than my regular garden roses! They have longer blooms in heat and rain as well as long vase life! They are just stronger blooms, stronger straight stems usually, too and yummy fragrance. And dark thicker green leaves after they adjust to their new environment.

    Ny regular garden roses wilt faster with more floppy petals , leaves and stems.


    The potted A&A roses need to harden off since they come in coco coir & were grown in green houses, but after adapted I think they will be fabulous roses!


    So I am really enjoying these new florist roses. All of my 25-30 florist roses so far.

  • 18 days ago

    Here is Pacific Blue from earlier in the season. It has a nice fragrance and the color turned more purple as the blooms aged in a vase. I'm hoping A&A will release more fragrant roses next year.



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    KL,

    Is that your Pacific Blue new from A&A this season? Where are you located? Do you have plebty of sun in spring/summer? Those are gorgeous blooms & a beautiful fragrant Tantau rose for a first season! How big are tge blooms? What type of fragrance? Dies it bloom a lot? Dusease resustant, vigirous grower? Wow! Love her! I may add her to my wish list……

    I made a wish list today of A&A roses:

    Pacific Blue, Tantau

    Anuschka, Tantau

    Lilac Veil spray, Interplant

    Lady Ella, Jan Spek Rozen, Netherlands

    Juwena, Tantau

    Living Coral, Jan Spek

    South Park spray, Jan Spek

    Lucky Flow, Interplant

    Julianne spray, Interplant

    Love Tantau, Jan Spek & Interplant roses-excellent in my climate so far!

  • 18 days ago

    Yes, my Pacific Blue is from A&A. I'm in Northern California, zone 10a. Normally it's not too hot here, usually mid 60/70 degrees in summer but we had a crazy heatwave in May right when the roses were blooming.

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    KL,

    Anazing to see all those blooms on Pacific Blue first season, but you have CA sun. Niiiiiceeeeee! Love it!

    I just ordered Lilac Veil, to ship June 30th, Woohoo! (I should order P Blue, but I had my eye on Lilac Veil since April-just love it!

    Lilac Veil, from A&A photo,

    Interplant , Netherlands




    @Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca

    How are your A&A risrs growibg? Any blooms? photos?

    @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

    @SD Shine -Z10a Bay Area

    @judijunebugarizonazn8

    How are your A&A: grafted & own root-potted Eufloria roses growing?

    Love to see photos? How did your orders work out?

    @elenazone6

    Progress on your A& A roses?


    Anyone else order A&A roses? Photos?

  • 18 days ago

    Kitty, here’s Anuschka in my climate. I took this picture to show how healthy the foliage is—it’s doing really well!



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    @elenazone6

    Oooooooo! Beautiful Anuschka! Big blooms and she looks so healthy first year! I originally ordered Anuschka, but then they ran out of her so I ordered another rose. She’s on my wish list for next season.

  • 18 days ago
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    Kitty, I have only two bare roots AA roses , 2 others were canceled. Anuschka and Dancing in the Dark are doing great! Dancing in the Dark has a very long lasting blooms, 1 month on the bush.


    3 weeks old blooms

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    Elena,

    Your weather seems much nicer-temperate than mine. You can start your roses growing outside in spring & they grow & bloom a lot. Dancing in the Dark is spectacular first season! Wow!

    When I lived in CA & Oregon, planting roses in spring was great. I used to easily olant roses in NY in spring. However, in last 3 seasons it has become difficult. First , this season, I had deep freezes to 1 F degree last winter & a few freezes lasted into April later than usual. Then a prolonged late cold rainy spring. Finally the spring daily rains-clouds (rarely a sunny day) almost ended in time for a 1st June flush which was burned out by 87F-95F for a week and much humidity. . My roses in the yard are fine, except many lost their blooms, wilted and even some buds burned in last week. Although, many older florist roses still have tons of blooms & many older roses. Lots of blooms still. Many florist roses don’t wilt-may fade a little. Georgia Peach blooms later & hot sun helps her to open more than any rose-she did very well! The older roses in the garden grew a lot in the sun, too-lots of growth. (Last year buds burned in a second flush.) This season I didn’t have much spring to plant roses out in the garden due to weather. Most are in pots on porch. .

    I am enjoying watching my potted roses grow. The ones on the sheltered porch are fine being shelted from the rain & too hot sun. They didn’t get mildew on the porch, either. They just started to grow well-they had it more temperate. Today 86F & approaching 93F Monday. I am moving Montmartre rose to the porch to survive the heat, too-she has had some cane burn in the heat. .

  • 17 days ago
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    I have a Northanger Abbey & Lilac Veil roses A&A-Eufloria roses shipping on June 30

    to me.

    I just signed up for a 10 % discount text/email subscribe; However, A&A just gave me a 15% coupon instead-Woohoo! I’m going to order another rose on maybe Sunday! Woohoo! What shall I order? Gotta look at my wish list…..

    Your favorites? What shall I order?

  • 17 days ago


    Kitty, with all due respect, I think you may be overcomplicating the process of planting bare root roses. As long as the ground isn’t frozen, you can plant them. I order my bare roots for delivery no later than mid-March, while they’re still dormant. After soaking them for no more than 24 hours, I plant them and place a pot with holes over the top. This helps maintain moisture without needing constant attention. Once the roses start to leaf out, I remove the pot. If there’s a return of freezing weather, I place the pots back to protect the new growth. I don’t worry much about the roots using this method.

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    Elena,

    Thank you. I think I may order later next year. i also plan to order a few this summer-they seem to grow more easily now I have sun. 😊

  • 17 days ago

    Wow, Kitty, I had no idea your climate is so challenging—you’re truly my hero!

    Grace once had the idea to send her roses to different parts of the U.S. for people to grow and test, but after the fire at her farm and the shift in her business model, it never happened. You might consider offering your garden to AA as a test site!

    Northanger Abbey™ performs beautifully in warm climates per GRF FB.


  • 17 days ago

    Kitty, how about Royal Diva? I saw some nice pics of Royal Diva on Facebook, several people said the blooms were huge , long lasting and very fragrant. While I love the durability of florist roses, they are mostly scentless, so probably won’t get many more.

  • 17 days ago
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    Thanks Ben.

    I ordered potted Lady Ella, a Jan Spek rose. Love her pink/peach colors.

    Internet photos




    I ordered from other vendors, too, this season, but I like the big florist roses A&A is sending , with dark green leaves the best,

    @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

    Some florist roses are very fragrant such as Constance, Royal Palace, Miyabi, White & Pink O’Hara , Effie, too-if you‘d like fragrance. I need to check all my florist roses for fragrance now….. I look at beauty and do the blooms hold up well in the garden & vase-that exquisite unique thick petaled bloom of florist roses. That’s my deciding factor. Fragrance is fabulous, too-want some of it, too! White O’Hara’s fragrance is to die for-the best!

    I wonder how A&A’s Juwena’s fragrance is? Anyone order her?

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    Good Morning,

    Heat wave persists! 89F today, burning few old garden petals. Florist roses doing well…… I ordered at 12:00 midnight, Lady Ella, …. above post…..update.

    Any photos of your new florist roses for this spring? @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) Ben how did your A&A & GRF rosrs do? Photos? Anyone else? I’d love to see your new roses? Probably need another thread….

  • 16 days ago

    Kitty, I hate to say this, but 89F doesn't qualify as a heat wave out West. Diane

  • 16 days ago

    @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) I bought Royal Diva and it's quickly become one of my favorite roses. Blooms last a long time and they're soooo deliciously fragrant. I'm always looking for those unicorn roses: many thick petals that last a long time with excellent fragrance. Apparently those traits are often mutually exclusive. Out of the ~150 roses I grow, my husband (who calls my roses 'weeds') has chosen this one as his favorite.


    @KittyNY6 My other two .bare roots from A&A, Pacific Blue and Patsy Cline (your fault, Ben) are phenomenal. Both have thick petals that last forever and beautiful fragrance. I'm so impressed by all 3 bare roots.


    My potted Eufloria roses are chugging along. Nothing died, so that's good. Juwena is giving me her first thrip-infested bloom and Julianna and Blushing Parasol both have buds on them, but I'm leaving for a trip back home to Canada in a couple days so I'll be missing their first flish and my garden's second. My garden's first flush got totally roasted by a heat wave here, total disappointment.

  • 16 days ago

    A couple Royal Diva pics on my phone:




    Her habit, for me, is very upright and mannerly.

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    @Diane Brakefield

    89F with our humidity feels like 100F+.The National Index says feels like 90-103F & part of our heat wave, 85-95F with humidity in last 2 weeks has been burning buds, and plants good. i agree it’s not 110-115F, though, which I remember in west coast. Your heat would bake all my new roses. They’s all want to hide on porches.No fun, either if our weather.

    SD,

    Lovely Royal Diva, sold out at A&A. Mmmmmmm-sounds like an amazing fragrance! I have got to see more Royal Divas-hope you share more photos in future! She sounds yummy! I will be having White O’Hara so not sure I need another white, but Juwena & Royal Diva may be contenders for future. Do you have Juwena, too! Of the 3 white roses, which is the best bloomer/fragrance? Princess Maya also has caught my eye.


    Ooooooooo….. Pacific Blue lasts forever!!! She’s on my wish list! More photos? I wonder which is a better English bloom & disease free-Princess Kaori or Pacific Blue? I just bought Lilac Veil spray, but PB seems like a fabulous full sized lilac bloom that I would love! Any photos?

  • 16 days ago

    Kitty, yeah, heat index. I don't pay much attention to those. However, I lived on the West Coast, Bay area and So Cal, for six or seven years and never experienced anything like a truly hot Idaho summer, and none of the places we lived in had AC. Even in the 1950s in So Idaho, my family had AC. Now if I had lived in Fresno or Bakersfield, I could understand really hot temps, but parts of Cal are quite mild when it comes to heat. My hottest in California was one summer in San Jose when it got into the 90s. Not fun with no AC, but it didn't last long. My first years were spent in Western Oregon, so not very hot then, either, though Portland can fool you and get pretty hot, as I found out on several visits. So the arid West is hot, for sure, but the coast, not so much compared to inland. Diane

  • 16 days ago

    @KittyNY6 I have all 3: royal diva, white O’Hara, and Juwena…oops lol. I’ll get a comparison pic of all 3 when they’re all in bloom for you. The O’Haras are in my top 5, their blooms are incredible with their gorgeous quartered form, they last forever on the bush and in the vase, and their fragrance is divine. Here’s a vase of 6 I cut after they’d been on the bush for over a week already:





    As for Princess Kaori vs Pacific Blue, I love them both but I’d take PB. It’s so vigorous for me and is disease-free for me whereas PK gets covered in powdery mildew. It is own-root, though, while PB is grafted on the good Dr. Fragrance matters a lot for me and so far PB takes the cake. I didn’t take many pictures of PB last flush, but I will for the next.


    Pacific Blue:



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    SD,

    Pink O’Hara us the most beautiful blooming pink rose ever!!! I can’t wait until mine blooms! Oh, My, your comparisons are fabulous! Ok, Pacific Blue us a must over P Kaori-Wowza!

    I just love White O’Hara, but which white of the 3 is your fave? Yes, I would put O’Haras in top 5 roses-for blooms & fragrance, too!!!

  • 15 days ago

    @SD Shine -Z10a Bay Area, so lovely roses!

    I'm really hoping for White Ashley from AA! So curious to see what they'll offer—fingers crossed for some Delbard roses too.

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    I saw white Ashley! Big blooms like Ashley! I also looked at Interplants full soray line-WOWZA! Beautiful roses! I’d love some more Netherland roses from Jan Spek, Interplant or VIP Roses. Caruruth , Tantau and Japanese roses, too!

    Interplant spray rose

    Midnight Magic (I’d just love!)



  • 13 days ago
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    Ohhhhhhhj…. A&A already has Midnight Magic….potted, . may order her later today….



    A&A photos


    internet photos








    I see she is ”cream & pink.” She was my fave of all the interplant sprays and Lilac Veil.

  • 13 days ago
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    I just ordered Midnight Magic,from April & Ashley, an Interplant rose. She ships July 7, Monday! Woohoo! A&A has potted all her roses for summer, i am excited to receive her potted.

    Midnight Magic spray rose, potted from A&A

    Internet photo


    @elenazone6

    Today I repotted my new Blushing Parasol which has grown in her original pot and adjusted well to my new hot sun-heat wave this June/July now. She’s been on my kitchen porch for 3 1/2 weeks now. . She’s quite large now. photo tomorrow….I never fertilized her because I decided it may be best to allow her to just adjust to her new environment & add no fertilizer that could burn her tiny roots. When I repotted her today, roots & coco coir stayed in tact-was easy to add just a little more soil with her in a new ceramic pot. She has been doing super well-growing BIG! She is my best looking new rose!

    I think the key to success with these new A&A-Eufloria potted roses in coco coir is to let them harden off in one’s new environment since they were before in a green house, no need for fertilizer in first month, be careful to not disturb roots, keep the coco coir inntact, Blushing Parasil had tiny roots but they were spread all the way through the coco coir filling original pot. Then as you plant the rose it will be great!

    I am excited about these A&A sorays I ordered. Blushing Parasol and Lady Ella are ones that grow upright and have clusters of spray rosrs-beautiful. I would like to see videos of Lilac Veil & Midnight Magic to see how they grow. I see Blushing Parasol & Lady Ella and the other sprays can have really long straight stems for bouquets-gorgeous!

    Georgia Peach, from A&A, is a spray rose, too-She is fabulous!!! I have her 2nd year from GRF in my garden now…… She blooms in huge clusters-medium blooms-one of my most favorte roses.













    Georgia Peach, from Jan Spek Rozen, Netherlands, grows upright, glossy leaves, no diseases, winter hardy, thick petals, with many cluster blooms on sevetal stems all at once! She is just starting to have 10 cluster blooms on 4 stems and more now……The most beautiful ever!

    These spray roses are unique and really beautiful shapes of bushes with cluster blooms, medium blooms, for the garden. Fabulous!

  • 13 days ago

    Love to make a few floral bouquets from these sprays & florist roses…

  • 12 days ago
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    Thank you, Kitty for sharing so many tips and tricks growing AA potted roses! I have a couple in mind to buy, but would like to see their 2026 bare root roses first.

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    @elenazone6

    Thank you in regards to my ideas on planting the Eufloria coco coir potted roses! I am intrigued by these soray roses. Spray roses are new to me…. I’ve been reading about them last few years. After seeing my Georgia Peach grow cluster blooms (medium size blooms) in 2nd year-own root and seeing videos of the many many sprays I realize their growth form-cluster blooms and often upright form is beautiful! . Some short bushes & some tall such as Blushing Parasol. I now will have 11 spray roses-all from GRF & A&A. I think they will look good placed alternating among my bush roses for variation. These new sprays are gorgeous in blooms! Interplant has a you tube video of tons of sprays and how they harvest them….. better for ”longer vase life to harvest them more open,” Interplant said.



    I also watched a few Instagram reels on spray roses….. long straight stems & soooo many beautiful rose blooms! Usually medium or small size blooms! Love them!


    I am not positive, but I thought I read that A&A will have ”all potted roses from now on, not bare root?” Do you know?

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    Kitty, I have heard this about GRF, not for AA. Somewhere on their website it says that bare root season is over, but the new catalog will be in August 2025.

  • 12 days ago

    What is the difference between spray roses and floribundas?

  • 12 days ago
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    Elena,

    Do you mean new catalog for A&A August of 2025-coming soon?

    Vapor,

    I just posted on Summer Thread photos of Georgia Peach spray rose bush-to demonstrate that spray roses have a different shape of bush & blooms than a floribunda. Spray roses often have a more upright growing bush, but each cane has a large cluster of blooms at the tip top. The blooms are small or medium sized. The canes are usually straight making a nice florist bouquet. They bloom in flushes. They are often 3 feet but some like Blushing Parasol spray are much taller.


    Georgia Peach spray rose (My 2nd year)

    A cane has a cluster of blooms on the end.

    Original 1st cluster of blooms at tip of cane. .





    Blushing Parasol spray rose, Cluster blooms

    (Photo from you tube)

    Would you like this many cluster blooms? 😊

    Make a great bouquet w/ just one cluster!


    Long canes w/ cluster blooms at tips


    Floribundas can be round or different shaped bushes. They have clusters of blooms all over- blooming all the time-abundant flora all over daily. .

    Hope my Blushing Parasol looks that good!

    Wowza!

  • 12 days ago

    Oops, yes. New 2026 catalog will be August 2025.

  • 12 days ago

    Added photos above….

  • 12 days ago
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    @elenazone6

    Thank you! August A&A catalog will be exciting!

    3 of my A&A roses shipped yesterday: Lilac Veil, Northanger Abbey, Lady Ella. (Midnight Magic ships on Monday.)

    I knew Lilac Veil & Northanger Abbey were coming from EUFLORIA roses, Lipomo, CA, shipped from La Mirada, CA ( near Santa, Monica.

    However, originally Lady Ella rose was a bare root at A&A-farmed at A&A last spring 2025, but is now summer 2025 it is sold by A&A potted and being shipped from La Mirada, CA, too-tracking says. So I suppise Eufloria is growing it for A&A in coco coir potted, too, for A&A now maybe? Interesting.

    I now assume the originally A&A bare root Midnight Magic grown by Frances in spring will now be grown-potted & shipped from Eufloria in summer with coco coir potting soil, too?? I will see the tracking on Monday and find out???

    The EUFLORIA roses do arrive looking so beautiful & dark leaved. They may be extra large since it’s summer now, too??

    My Blushing Parasol was delivered in June and she was large. These A&A- Euphoria roses are $55 and they look as large-(very thick caned.)



  • 7 days ago
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    @elenazone6

    & Friends,

    Completing my A&A collection of roses……for this season…

    My 3 A&A Eufloria roses came today and Northanger Abbey as well as the rest all in coco coir. it has been 87-94Fw/ humidity in last week (heat index says feels like 104-110F.) I knew the

    leaves would dry up in transit & they did. A few leaves left in each rose bush, but super healthy thick canes & many nodes/new leaves. Coco cour soil was damp so plants were still healthy. I defoliated the dry leaves & they now look like this…I am thrilled & love them! Tgey had a bamboo cane stick in each pot so rose canes very healthy and pot stayed in place while traveling. They will grow mew healthy leaves and harden off on my porch in part sun/shade. I wonder when it will cool so I can plant in ground.??

    Nice boxes, rose wooden name tags, burlap wrap, biodegradable bag and lovely roses.


    Northanger Abbey spray


    New nodes/leaves


    Lilac Veil spray


    New node, leaves


    Lady Ella spray


    New leaves


    A&A’s Midnight Magic spray was shipped yesterday & may be delivered by Friday!!! Soooo exciting.

    I also reordered White O’Hara & Pink O’Hara from a vendor,due to my”Great Rainy Porch Demise,” disaster this spring. They are shipped fromCA & on their way, too. That completes my new florist roses for this season.

    Cooler today 79F, thunder storm & rain last evening. Better! Hotter coming….

  • 7 days ago

    Those roses look fantastic! I guess I missed the great Rose Rain porch disaster. That must have been on a seasonal thread.

  • 7 days ago
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    Kitty, congrats! Your roses look great! I am very happy for you, Hope to see a lot of pictures!

  • 6 days ago

    Kitty, I had a similar experice many yers go and also decided not to receive OR roses until May at the earliest. The weather could be too ccold and that combined with wet can rot the tiny roots. Since i grow so many cuttings I have avoided this by using a very lightweight and well-draining medium amending with a lot of perlite ro PB fines. IIIIIIII haven't had any problems with them. Sorry to hear youhad that problem.

  • 6 days ago

    Vapor,

    Thank you. No worries. Starting over. Weather is sunny & porch potted roses are happy now. I see that the A$A-Eufloria rosrs potted with coco coir drain & dry the fastest-which is good.