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Cheapest way to pump water from 100' deep well (no hand pump)?

5 months ago

Is there a water pump or ventui design that will suck water up from a 100' deep well through a 5/8" garden hose at 7 GPM 24/7 so I can maintain the water level in my 3/4 acre pond?

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  • 5 months ago

    No, there isn't. Did your pump finally give out?

    catfishhoward thanked Jake The Wonderdog
  • 5 months ago

    No.

    catfishhoward thanked jrb451
  • 5 months ago

    You need power and a pump if you want to keep water flowing out of a well that deep. You can get smaller pumps installed if you want to. Call in a couple well guys and ask them about options. After that, your cost is going to be the electric to keep the pump running like that.

    catfishhoward thanked beesneeds
  • 5 months ago

    Jake The Wonderdog

    39 minutes ago

    "No, there isn't. Did your pump finally give out?"


    It's good, been running 24/7 for the last 7 days. Still haven't figured a way to put 8500 gal a day into my pond other than running my pump for 8 hours a day to maintain the level. Hard to believe a 9000 gph pump at 550 watts can't suck 1.5 gallons continuously up a 100' garden hose with a BPF at the bottom but I guess I'm wrong. Once I figure out all my options I'll update the housing, electrical and fittings just don't want to do it twice.

  • 5 months ago

    Are you running your hose straight off the wellhead, or is it running through any bladders?

    catfishhoward thanked beesneeds
  • 5 months ago

    Delta Systems

    13 minutes ago

    "Fix the leak in your pond."


    I have a 60 something year old pond which the previous owners let trees grow up around the pond. Last week I was losing 3/8" per day which I thought was pretty good and figuring 80% was evaporation but I've never done the research since redueing the pond would be a large job and in the future. I would love to cut the trees down along the dam and open it up but am worried the roots will then rot creating holes and cause even more problems. I thought about adding lily pads but also thought about everyone who did this that probably regretted it but I guess I have to find out what the average evaporation rate should be on my pond in N. FL?


    3/4 acre surface pond

    750,000 gallons

    3/8" loss water level per 24 hrs 11-1-2024


    Pump run 24 hrs at 17 gpm will raise the lake from -0.03 to 0.05' so it's putting the loss of 3/8" back in and adding another 5\8".






  • 5 months ago

    beesneeds

    8 minutes ago

    "Are you running your hose straight off the wellhead, or is it running through any bladders?"


    Here's another thread I just started answering your question.


    Correct location of pond outlet pipe on well system?

  • 5 months ago

    Ok, you are running your house and also wanting a 24/7 flow into a pond. Good answer in the other thread on this. That's a kind of big ask of a regular house well. You might still want to work with a well guy on this.

    What are you wanting to accomplish with this? Is it a stock pond? How is it fed when it's not being fed by your pumping groundwater from under it? And if your pic shows a drain on the pond, why isn't damming up that drain an option to prevent heavier water loss?

    catfishhoward thanked beesneeds
  • 5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    It's a mud pond only raising when it rains. Last owner said she never seen it go dry in 15 years so she thinks they might me small spring, just not bid enough. 2 years ago I let it go down during the winter drought and it shrunk for 3/4 acre to 1/8 acre. All the bass, bream, catfish and turtles did good as far as I know but I have added 100 koi since then and have been taking out bream to eat and lower their numbers since then. It would be nice to hold it at more of a constant level with my deck and the higher the leval the safer the koi are until they get bigger.

    Hurricane Helene filled the pond in 1.5 hours from being 2' low and once it was full I diverted the drainage ditch behind the dam to the swamp. Had enough run off to have fill this pond twice. But since then we've only had 1/2" rain.

    The expensive keeping it near full is worth it to me. Just exploring opions to get the cost as low as possible and to have good pressure inside. I've heard the pumps last longer is you run them 24/7 vs stopping and starting all the time. Just wish this pump could be around 550 watts vs over 2000 watts. I will call a well company in but here in the country it's hard to get a contractor. I gave up on calling electricians, all 3 electricians I had scheduled never came, all doing commercial jobs now.



  • 5 months ago

    That is a lot of water. I wouldn't try with my ponds, lol. The smallest one is a mud pond, it hasn't gone dry over the last few decades, but has gotten noticeably more shoreline and less lillies over the last several years. It's a precipitaton fed pond. A big part of the reason it keeps so well is that it is very sheltered by being mostly surrounded by trees. Evaporation rate is lowered with shelter. Part of a big water loss was from a lip break, which fed down to the largest pond. Since that one is creek fed we started some damming on the mud pond.

    catfishhoward thanked beesneeds
  • 5 months ago

    It is impossible to "suck" water up 100 feet.

    catfishhoward thanked Stax
  • 5 months ago

    Wouldn't you need a deep-well pump like this?

  • 5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    I've decided to look into air lift which seem like people are doing it. I just wonder if air bubbles leave the 1" pipe which I'm not sure they will but if they do does it turn my well into an aerobic system, so what would the oxygen do to my well water for drinking? I've seen videos of people getting over 10 gpm but lots of factors to get it wright.

    Link to air lift

  • 5 months ago

    Hi, I have watched your articles, and I know nothing about pumps, but about 200 years ago people used windmills to pump water. Maybe that's your answer.

    Good Luck WoodButcher

    catfishhoward thanked woodbutcher_ca
  • 5 months ago

    I thought about wind mill but at the casing not much wind. I've decided to do an air lift which the air pump might be around 350-600 watts, a lot cheaper then the 2300 watt submersible pump.


    I tried to take the well cap off today and the bolts are turning with the nuts since they are rusted. Not sure why the bolt heads aren't seated in a grove on the bottom plate to prevent the bolt from turning? Since all 4 bolts are turning I've decided to cut the casing near the ground and replace the whole upper part with new 4" pvc. I'll add a 4"x4"x2" wye fitting so I can run the water and air hose into the 2" hole and still have the 4" cap at top.


    That's If, the water level is good, if adding the air/oxygen doesn't effect my water quality by creating an aerobic system and if I have enough room in the casing for a 1" blue pipe?

  • 5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    Dude, this isn't going to work. At 100' it would be easier for the air pressure to force the water out of the bottom the well casing.

    The amount of energy needed to move 7 gpm @100' lift is fixed. If a submersible pump actually requires 2300 watts, you can't do it for 600 watts. It doesn't work that way.

    The only way you will know the actual wattage the pump is using is to measure it under load. It's not the nameplate rating.

  • 5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    Electric monitor on pump black and white wires

    · White wire: 121v, 12.22a, 1.17kw, 60hz, .80pf at 21 psi = 1182 watts & 1.18 kw

    • Black wire: 121v, 12.18a, 1.17kw, 60hz, .80pf at 21 psi = 1179 watts & 1.18 kw


    2361+/- watts? If I did everything correct.


    Not sure what GPM I will get with the air lift but anything could help, I will see.

  • 4 months ago

    You are not going to get anything more efficient than your current pump assuming everything is operating properly.


    That's not to say you can't use solar panels, windmills, etc. to provide the same amount of work for less cost, but you won't get an air lift, for example, to do it for less input - and I don't think an air lift will do it at all.