Shade_+ Climbing Rose = death by a thousand gasps for light. It's torturing a climbing rose bush to plant it in shade.

Akebia vine will work, but can get aggressive. Mine is capable of growing 40' easily, but it's in full sun.

Major Wheeler Honeysuckly too, will work. Nonaggressive and repeat blooming all summer.

Moses.

Don't be embarrassed by that training job. It's fantastic! The main canes are beautifully spaced, actually quite artistically, and the normal growth, short laterals, each with blooms, are classic! Good job!

Moses.

@SYinUSA, GA zone 8

I think your Peggy Miller is lovely.

@Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6

I hear you about climber in shade, not a good idea.

Maybe this is why it took my Pinkie 7 years to show what it can do. It is surrounded by a woody area but when it finally climbed over the deck into the clearing area where there's significantly more sun, it finally exploded in bloom.

I will post below a picture of Pinkie from today, since the bloom is opening up and getting more impressive every day. But I would still say it isn't getting all day sun, some dappled shade too - but somehow, enough.

So I am trying to find another one who will deal with the shade until it climbs over. Based on my calculations, the other side of the deck would get even more sun than Pinkie. So if Pinkie could do it, so should the next one.

At this point I am thinking New Dawn. I will also post a picture of the bare deck side. It's just easier to post from the phone directly, without text.

Bare side of deck.

I think this side gets sun from early morning to about 3:00 pm, possibly more. I'd love something with long canes to cover the rails in bloom. From what I read, New Dawn seems to make most sense.

Pinkie today

It took Pinkie 7 years to perform like this, but once it made it over the rails, he found more Sun. :)

Maybe New Dawn could do the same on the other end, and there's even more sun there.

Gorgeous!!

Pinkie is a gorgeous rose! I dont grow it any longer [but might in the future] because it only bloomed well once. I have a few favorite climbers to suggest - one is HIGHWIRE FLYER. I found out it was developed by Bill Radler, creator of the Knockout roses. It is very tough, fast growing and the most prolific of any climber I grow. It is just finishing a spectacular spring flush - and when I deadhead these hundreds of blooms, it will do it again. Hot pink, it is a showstopper, seen from all over the yard. I love it so much I ordered another last year - from a band - and it is growing like crazy and blooms all over it. IThen I ordered a 3rd and 4th band. There will always be a place for this climber in my yard! Another already mentioned is Mel's Heritage. I have 2 of these. Another one I adore is Clair Matin - it always has blooms. Let me add a 4th - Tangerine Skies. Blooms are larger - I have 3 of these - they are the most beautiful tangerine color, bloom all the time and are strong and healthy. I am in Zone 8 - east Texas, 2 hours NE from Houston. None of these have been harmed by the cold - we get temps in the teens sometimes. Cant go wrong with any of these, at least in my climate.

Oh, waow Almeda! Thank you for all the recommendations, they look amazing!

I am tempted by Highwire Flyer. Does it look red at all or it is a clear pink?

Peggy Martin would match your rose and blooms profusely in the spring and is almost thornless and more flexible than new dawn. New Dawns rebloom is not good either

Oh, bummer, dianela. :( Unfortunately, I ordered New Dawn. I tried to cancel the order but it already went out and they don't take returns.

Rebloom was the no 1 reason I had ordered it since I read ND is notorious for its prolific rebloom.

Urgh...

hmmm. Now I'm feeling guilty as i dallyed about mentioning ND. She needs PruNING to get any rebloom and also full sun.. I have 5 in different areas so I feel i can judge pretty well. Also, She is a beast! Any other place she could go.

For others still reading this I would strongly recommend Ghislainde de Feligonde, but not much repeat in shade. However, she is planted in a very dark spot that only receives good sun until the trees leaf out.Noone has mentioned Viking Queen or Lavender Lassie.

Oh, no worries Vapor. It wasn't your responsibility. I should have waited longer but I really want to get this thing in the ground sooner considering how long it takes climbers to get established.

This ND might just be 43$ out the window since I don't really have another place to put it.

Maybe I will gift it to a friend/neighbor but come think of it, they have less sun than I do. Maybe her mom who lives nearby.

This side of the deck is not really all that shady because it gets direct sun until 3 pm.

7-8 hours of direct sun is not bad.

But yeah, now I have no idea what to do with ND.

Should I just put my Eden there instead?

In its second year it is a stingy bloomer for me and it has grown zero, probably because it's in a smaller hole limited by tree roots.

I'd really love some repeat from whatever climber ends up here.

Quite at a loss now...

What about the Pilgrim? I love that lemony yellow.

I wouldn't call that shade if the sun is good before that.sorry about ND... one of my faves and my avatar.

So would you put ND there, climbing from the other side of the deck? Yes, it gets full sun until about 3 pm, probably starting around 7.

I did see in some pictures and videos that it gets kind of beastly and wonder if my deck might be too dainty for its eventual size.

Or can I just keep pruning it...but why add extra work?

Your ND avatar is lovely. Where do you have your ND?

My Highwire Flyer is more of a hot pink. It can get big but is manageable. I never liked New Dawn - repeat for me wasnt good. It didnt make it some years back and wasnt mourned or replaced but got a free one from Rogue Valley so will find a spot for it when it gets big enough. The Noisettes like Crepuscule are wonderful if they will work in your climate. Crepuscule is one of my very favorites - always in bloom with peach ice cream smaller blooms. Blush Noisette can be trained upwards. I think Heirloom Roses has Clair Matin. Mine is huge, an older rose, but easy to trim and train and blooms lots - sweet smelling too......smaller blooms. I am trying Lady In Red and am pleased so far. Forgot to mention Tess of the d'Ubervilles - this lovely hot pink climber is another one that blooms all the time. Fairly thorny, but it is a healthy rose that blooms all the time. One of my favorite Austins. Oh, and Wollerton Old Hall is another goodie! I should get another and place it beside Highwire Flyer.........Bathsheba is blooming wonderfully for me right now! If you want a lovely pinkish red/white - consider Peppermint Party. I liked the first so much I got another! It is young but is growing well and lots of blooms. I dont know how to post photos with the new laptop I have or would show some of my photos.........Oh, and Impressionist is simply gorgeous!! Aloha is an older workhorse for me too...........

Judith

The Impressionist looks amazing, I would love to have it as I have a weakness for orange-sunset roses, but it doesn't look like it would grow long enough canes to train along deck rails. The same for Aloha and I love both.

I also think the Impressionist would wash out completely in this southern sun.

I am not sure about others in terms of color. I am afraid a pink that is too bright might be too much against the red-brown deck. A yellow would go great there but there doesn't seem to be too many options for yellow climbers.

lemon Zen....It starts yellow and goes pink. Also Setina. It bloomed a lot on a north facing wall until RRD got it. Would you consider a pale pink or white? Thinking of Guirlande d'Amour and Brise Parfum. Wish someone grew Ghislaine de Feligond with sun. I agree that Aloha wouldn't grow enough to cover that area up and over. I fear NewDawn might overwhelm it. I'll see if I can find old posts showing my ND since I lost most of my pics when my phone was hacked and have been reluctan to take more. I need to work on that.

Teasing Georgia is an awesome yellow rose but it is quite thorny. Spirit of Freedom is really awesome on the FL Gulf Coast. We get really humid here in the summer. Summer is normally when we get our rainy season so its mostly wretched lol. The rest of the year is typically drier and nice and breezy.

I am interested to see which roses you pick! I agree about Crepuscule being great here. I had a huge one at our old house. It was so pretty and healthy.

I have a covered deck out front that is 10ft off the ground and runs the legth of the house. It is in full sun though..all day. The previous owners planted about 7 huge shrubs along the length of this deck and they grow way up, almost as high as the house roof! I am always cutting them down to the handrail level. I'm sick of them and plan to yank them all out at some point and plant roses. I bet those things have roots to China! I havent really figured out what color scheme I want for the roses to be yet. They will have to be big!

We also have a covered back deck that gets part afternoon sun which is 5 ft off the ground (we are on a little hill). I might plant a few roses back there too. Its got a blue hydrangea, some gardenias, and lots of tall white butterfly gingers (hedychium) along it. I never realized how aggressive those white gingers are. They are taking over everything-even growing under the deck! Its like bamboo or something lol. They do smell heavenly and attract gobs of hummingbird moths in the evenings. I put up a ceiling fan up out there and we plan to screen it in at some point.

Crepuscule

Teasing Georgia

That's what I am afraid of too, Vaporvac. That ND would overwhelm it. I didn't realize it could get so monstrous.

Then again, I can't quite put my finger on an alternative yet. Maybe I should get another Pinkie after all, but I really would like to try something different, especially that Pinkie is yet to give me a noticeable rebloom.

I am open to many colors but something like a very bright KO red/pink might be too much.

Well, now...I guess if I am not going to use ND - anyone in my area feel free to come pick it up for free if you so wish. :)

Here is a post that shows what NewDawn can be. New Dawn. Click to link as it deown't show in colour anymore. Also, HOw COULD I FORGET Autumn Sunset. That might be great there! Very healthy for me in two very different spots. I wish I knew how Malvern Hills will grow up.

Guys,

Would you give me approval for Laguna Kordes? I think I like that one and it might work there.

But only if you approve. lol

PS: It might not stretch wide enough, with long enough canes. Seems to be more upright than lateral. But gosh, Kordes makes them so beautiful!

Laguna is a hard No for me lol..Leaves get nasty..wanted to bloom only in spring and fall..thorns just as bad as Mermaid's but in a different shape lol. I tried to leave mine at the old farm but hubby, was thinking he was being helpful, put it in the truck and brought it. I just know Laguna was laughing with glee. I put her way out in the field to let the deer eat her..deer ignored her and went and destroyed 2 good trees instead. I admit her blooms are lovely when you get some. She may like your climate better,who knows!

Cecil Brunner Spray is awesome here and can take a little shade. She gets really big. She blooms constantly. Leaves stay green.

I put Madame Anisette on a 3 way gazebo and she is blooming now and smells heavenly. She blooms quite a bit and the leaves stay nice. She is a monster- own root. I don't spray here.

Noted on Laguna. I saw it in a garden on YT, looked like the most prolific dream, then boom, it's off the table. :)

Madame Anissette is lovely! It does not seem to do the laterals I need for my deck but I could see it in a 3 piece hedge to separate from neighbor's property. That would be another project.

Would MA work as a hedge?

@sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)

It sounds like you have a lot of deck to deal with - and you're probably right those roots are in China now. :) Too funny.

Crepuscule has a lovely orange color but I am looking for something with a bit more coverage and probably white, pink or lemon yellow, since orange might not create that much contrast with the deck color.

The more I research, the more I wonder if another Pinkie might be in order. At least it's tried and true - although... is it? With only one bloom and quite a bit of BS too?

Just because the flush in Spring is finally really beautiful doesn't mean there may not be other much better choices.

I am curious what I will pick too. :)

Good to see you here again, Dianela. I am a bit of an intermittent poster but it's so nice to catch up with everyone's yards during my seasonal/periodical prolonged visits. :)

How did your Alabama garden do last season? How is this one looking?

All in all I learned enough to handle a garden, I think, but my only big fear remains RRD.

I did lose a few to this abomination.

PS: I checked Guirlande D'Amour - what a gorgeous white. It seems rather upright though and quite bushy more than a climber. I wonder if it might overwhelm the bed where I will be planting it.

Does it grow long enough canes?

Daniela, I'll try to post some pics of GdA myself. I'm anxious to see yours. mine gives quite good rebloom and definitely climbs. Super vigorous and so beautiful. it is in good sun.

Artist is great to see your posts. I am also a bit intermittent these days, between work and trying to keep my 4 years old entertained without much screen time the time just goes by too quickly some times.

I hope your garden does great. I lost several roses to RRD a few years back and it was horrible but it hasn’t happened in a while for which I am very grateful. I hope it stays away from your garden. GdA is very bushy but it does throw long spiky arms that climb, I will check to see how long they currently are. I am using it to camouflage an ugly propane tank and it has grown a lot. I feel like a lot of these bushier plants grow taller if given proper support early.

You mentioned Madame Anisette and I think she could make a great impenetrable hedge (her thorns are epic) but you would have to prune hard as she gets at least 10 to 12 feet tall here. She could work for the deck.

old garden pictures

10 feet tall obelisk inside after 3 years I think own root. Her foliage is immaculate and rebloom very slow

2nd plant with pegged canes. Not sure if you can actuslly see the super long canes that are reasonably pliable

Thank you for the pictures, dianela. Very helpful. She is lovely, something to consider. Is the second picture a rebloom?

Artist the secound picture is just a younger plant blooming. Rebloom was always a couple of blooms here and there, nothing worth photographin. The big climbers I have that rebloom strong enough to be considered good are Mels Heritage and Raspberry Cream T. Apparently Guirlande also because I found a picture in August

At the end of july some big clusters. I dont deadhead ever

August

guirlande today

Forgive the crooked trellis, the wind moved it and it was too wet to get in there before work. I think umbrella is 8 feet tall but i am not sure

Beautiful pictures, thank you!

It might just be too big for my space though.

I wonder if there is a list anywhere with excellent re-blooming/continuous bloom climbers. In advertising, there's so much fuss around New Dawn and its reblooming abilities, but when it comes to reports from real people in real yards, you hear a different story. Interesting ...

Something not too massive or beastly yet one that would send long enough canes to drape over those deck rails.

Still debating ...but Spring is going away...

Good look choosing 😁. A non climber that gets large enough may for your reblooming desires better. They are ussually not the super lax styles but would drape or can be trained to drape. In the past 9 years I have planted close to 200 climbers and have never found a profusely continuous blooming climber. The closest is Mel’s Heritage which always has a least a couple of blooms on him but the rest may rebloom decently in the fall but only have scattered blooms during the hot summer months.

I cant wait to see what you choose I am always looking for more climbers.

Dianela,

Basically, I am stumped and I reallky want to get something in the ground this season, not kater bc these things take forvere to establish.

Seem like a harder decision than I expected since I need something that is pliable and doesn't grow too monstrous yes throws canes long enough to cover the width of that deck. And yes, rebloom would be so nice.

I took a picture from the other side of the deck to give a better idea.

I will post it below straight from the phone.

Another Pinkie would fit except it has poor rebloom and gets black spot. Then again, I never babied it properly post first-flush bc it gets hot out here and my willingness to be outside bit by air creatures goes down.

This year I will try to deadhead the Pinkie now that it reached the other side of the deck and gets a lot more sun, and I'll see what it does. Antique Rose Emporium advertises it as "hard to catch it out of bloom throughout the season," but is it really so?

That's a bit of an overstatement, for sure since mine only rebloomed a tad bit in the Fall. This is why I am not jumping on a second one. I keep hoping I make some grand discovery as I hoped with New Dawn who's going to arrive soon, nobody knows for whom or what. lol

I thought about moving the Eden there but it would be too short for the coverage I need. It needs about 7 ft just to reach the top of the deck, never mind to stretch canes 5-6 more feet each way.

Other options including those like Peggy Martin, GdA, Cecile Bruner etc seem to grow too large, like ND, and may overwhelm the deck.

The Arborose are too stiff and some say not enough blooms, so God knows.

Kindly excuse that ugly planting table, I will remove. Right now I have a hydrangea that doesn't bloom right in the middle and some small hostas that will be removed.

This area does get at least 6 hours of direct sun every day.

I ,too,think Guirlande would look great, and not be too overwhelming. It is a great rebloomer and would complement Pinkie.

@Thank you Sheila!

If I get enough votes for GdA from you esteemed experts, I will pull the trigger.

Now I am thinking to ask the HOA to let me plant the New Dawn somewhere at the entry into the neighborhood in the common area (pool, tennis, playground what not). They will think I am crazy, I suppose. :)

I have to agree with dianela Mel's Heritage is awesome here and an excellent bloomer. It will get huge but can be controlled. I planted mine way too close to a walkway, so I am going to move it and let it eat something else.

I love Mel's H but I wonder if it would get too big for this place, like ND and others? They seem to be either too small or those that turn beastly.

I am leaning towards Mel but wonder which one grows bigger - MH or GdA?...

Haha @sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)! I did the same thing planting it on a fence next to the drive. One could barely exit the driver's side. Itttt's now spreading its wings on my friend's trellis growing like a boss. I moved my poor Cl. Clotilce Soupert to his place. She's a great rose that i would recommend to you @Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA. CSSS blooms buried in the undergrowth of a massive Aronia and blooms all summer long. Precious fragrance. She does Sometimes ball, but we get a lot of rain and it's nottt much of a problem as there are always new buds to follow. However, I think Guirlande d'A would be a great choice. I'll try to dig up some pics from the past couple of years. She took a couple for good rebloom, pruning her fairly ruthlessly with sharp shears.

Hope I'm not monopolizing this thread!

Not at all, Vapor! I appreciate every bit of feedback as I am trying to make a decision without doing yet another blunder like I did with New Dawn.

I'm now wavering between MH and Gd'A but I would go with whichever grows less monstrous or vigorous. The size and vigor or Pinkie is just right for this deck, but that one has other issues.

Bloom-wise, I lean towards Mel.

I have also reviewed Setina and it looks very promising but I am not sure where I could get it. Thank you for that recommendation, Vapor!

Mel is a lot larger than Guirlande.

Sheila,

I wonder if Guirlande's canes would be pliable enough to go over deck rails.

Here in Cincinnati Mel does experience some die-back, but I don't know how much it would have in GA if any. Mel's canes are very lithe with tiny cat's claws for prickles. I think without dieback its size can definitely exceed Gd'A as seen in Lisa's old pics. GdA 's are pliable enough for your purposes. This isn't a columnar type rose, but will get large. I need to post some pics.

Hello,

I just wanted first to say a big thank you to everyone who helped me try to figure out this dilemma.

I'm posting to add the abrupt resolution, which almost felt like the choice was made for me.

I went to my local nursery today and I stumbled on Don Juan. I had heard about it before, of course, but online I dismissed it as 'one of the reds.'

The color and form simply blew me away. I couldn't resist it, which now makes sense why they call it Don Juan. You make vows (lol), no more roses etc - but all that goes down the river when you see this one. At least this is what happened to me: I got seduced.

So it will have to go in that spot and I wish it luck. I don't see why it wouldn't work because the size seems just right for the place. Would I have liked to have a white or gray structure/deck for it to mount on? Sure. But the brick color will have to do.

I just never imagined I would go with red. And yet here I am.

It's incredible how seductive this rose is to my eyes. :)

Thank you all so much!

Its one pretty bloom before he starts working his spells on me. :)

Artist finding a rose that makes your Heart sing is what this is all about. Please report back on how your Don Juan performs against Blackspot. I have never tried it because I asumed it would be a heavy blackspotter

@dianela7analabama

I heard mixed reports on its disease resistance. Some say it is healthy, others report some black spot. I don't know. My local nursery typically selects varieties that work well in this area so I'm thinking it couldn't really be a disaster. My Pinkie gets black spot too but he makes it.

I do try to spray some early in the season and it may not be ideal, but we'll see. If it's really a fiasco, it can always come out. It's that red that drew me in , which is not the typical KO-type red, as it comes out in pictures.

It is a very scrumptious velvety red, with some magenta/deep sorbet, almost purple-ish in it, or something like that; a very unique color.

I just hope it will produce enough bloom. My main concern is the flower power, as I love rose bushes to be uniformly covered as opposed to a few blooms scattered here and there.

Hopefully, it will work out.

It is a very iconic much loved variety so i am hopping it turns out great!

Good luck! My friend in KY has grown it for years and it's a very beautiful and fragrant rose.When I say I love red roses, that is the sort of colour I have in mind.