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Need blind cabinet 15” kitchen cabinet w/12” vertical height clearance

12 days ago
last modified: 12 days ago

I need a storage solution mechanism for a 15” blind corner kitchen cabinet w/12” vertical height clearance for each level once installed.


Previously, I stored my oils, vinegars, and cooking wines (Marsala, Madeira, Dry Sherry, Cream sherry, Port, White Port, Armagnac, and Cognac, Calvados, Grand Mariner, Kirsch, etc.) on an Old School 2-tier Lazy Susan from my demolished kitchen. Both tiers would clear a 12” vertical height, which would accommodate all my bottle heights.


I gave my kitchen designer a photo (attached) that included a tape measure that illustrates the requisite 12” vertical height clearance on my prior Lazy Susan blind corner solution.


Now my custom cabinets are installed, and the product ordered for the blind corner cabinet was the Rev-a-Shelf pull-slide-pull (see attached PDF spec sheet) that shows available vertical height clearance of 11“, which is insufficient for the height of my bottles that need to be stored there.


If anyone has an alternate mechanism to propose for a high-end kitchen that allows 12“ vertical height clearance on at least one of the two levels, I’d be most grateful if you would share that maker and SKU number here.


Installers installed, then removed the color Orion (reads as dark charcoal gray, nearly black) in this blind corner cabinet, which was the wrong color for a white kitchen with silver hardware and did not meet our vertical clearance spec. Now I have a variety of holes in that cabinet and need a solution to provide 12” vertical height clearances on shelves to remedy.


With gratitude,





Comments (22)

  • PRO
    12 days ago
    last modified: 12 days ago

    I had this issue with a pullout pantry under my counter I reverted to rebottling the too tall oils and vinegars and found others I liked that came in shorter bottles tp replace some of the ones I liked .There is no drawer in the cabinet that it is going into ? I needt o see the whole kitchen where this corner is I am curiuos wahy yo did not do a simple lazy susan type corner not a blind corner at all I rarely do blind corners if at all possible to avoid so i need to see the whole spac e.

    purpleplume thanked Patricia Colwell Consulting
  • 11 days ago
    last modified: 7 days ago

    Thank you, Patricia. Correct, no drawer there. I will post it for you tomorrow.


    Keep in mind I will still need a solution that will go in the blind corner cabinet regardless because all the cabinetry is installed and it was custom. The natural stone countertops are fabricated and cut, but we are holding on counter installation because the mechanism has to be installed before the counter goes on.


    I hear what you are suggesting about decanting tall oils or vinegars into shorter containers or buying shorter ones. I might be able to do that for oils & vinegars. But the wines and some spirits I use for cooking are in 750 ml bottles and decanting those is not something I am willing to do.

  • PRO
    10 days ago
    last modified: 10 days ago

    I agree 100% on this : )

    "No wine that is labeled cooking wine should be used in the preparation of food. Cooking wine outside of marsala or sake, is the lowest quality product made from grapes. If the wine is not something that you would enjoy drinking, then you could do infinitely better with a different bottle for cooking. With that said I store any open bottle of any wine in the refrigerator until it's finished which is usually the following day. This is not a snobbish opinion it's just good advice to follow for a much better finished product in the kitchen."

    As to the 750ml bottles you do need to store?

    How about the pantry ?: ) and let the Kitchen be finished? Old dogs do learn new tricks, right?

    Even oils and vinegars are fine in a pantry .....or buy smaller bottles and decant those.

    purpleplume thanked JAN MOYER
  • 10 days ago

    There are 3 types of corner cabinets:



    This is what most people are referring to when they say a blind corner cabinet.


    Typically not used if one of the other two options can be used, but in my current kitchen the dishwasher is next to the corner cabinet, so as designed I have a blind corner where access to the corner is very difficult.


    Solutions for blind cabinets are things like this:



    This is just a plain old corner cabinet - not blind - accessible, work reasonable well with a Lazy Susan.


    3rd type has a diagonal door opening - again works well with a lazy susan.



    purpleplume thanked Jennifer Hogan
  • 10 days ago

    This is on amazon and allows you to adjust the height of the shelves.

    It doesn't have the Rev A Shelf price tag, but it looks like it would work and has decent ratings.

    https://www.amazon.com/OrderCrafters-Organizer-Turntable-Organizers-Adjustable/dp/B0DC6MY3T2?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=AQTBKXO7J9LEE&gQT=1&th=1

  • PRO
    10 days ago

    I never use cooking wines since IMO if I would not drink it I would not cook with it and as mentioned a partail bottle of wine always would be in the fridge . I think decanting what does not fit, storing wine in the fridge is the solution and move on to more important things , often these little things have a simple solution and can make you crazy if you let them .

    purpleplume thanked Patricia Colwell Consulting
  • PRO
    10 days ago
    last modified: 10 days ago

    If you do not have a 42"-48" blind corner cabinet, then most of the specialty organizers for them will not work. The small size door you have indicates you do not have a large enough base cabinet to work with standard Lemans pullouts or Magic Corner ones.

    You are left with the half moon ones that you have. REVASHELF has one that is adjustable, as long as you do not have any fixed shelves impeding that.



    purpleplume thanked Minardi
  • 8 days ago
    last modified: 8 days ago

    First, I’d like to thank @JAN MOYER and @Patricia Colwell for drawing attention to the importance of using only quality wine as an ingredient when cooking. As an advanced sommelier, I would not encourage anyone to cook with a liquid bottled and labeled ”Cooking Wine”, if, in fact, anyone even produces bottlings like that anymore.


    I like what Julia Child said, “I enjoy cooking with wine, sometimes I even put it in the food.” Although, truth be told, Julia was more apt to reach for a Gin & Tonic!


    In my OP, I specified the specific types of “wines” I cook with (Marsala, Madeira, Dry Sherry, Cream Sherry, Port, White Port, Armagnac, and Cognac, Calvados, Grand Marnier, Kirsch, etc.). Technically, not everything I listed is wine; some are spirits and some are fortified wines, but the common denominator is I keep them there because I cook with them.


    The takeaway is these are the bottles I have always kept in my ”cooking wine” corner cabinet. It’s only one step from my cooktop, and that has always worked well for me. Our wine cellar is on a lower level, as is our liquor cabinet, which is why these ”cooking wines and spirits” are kept in the kitchen, nearest to where they are used.

  • 7 days ago
    last modified: 7 days ago

    Thank you to everyone who weighed in on this question.


    @Lorraine Leroux I spoke with Rev-a-Shelf before I posted here. Unfortunately, they could not provide the vertical height clearance on their product that was ordered by my kitchen designer because that specific SKU is no longer in their current product lineup.


    However, a few days ago, the kitchen designer did provide me with a PDF from Rev-a-Shelf that does state the vertical clearance is 11” on the blind corner cabinet mechanism ordered by our kitchen designer (please refer to the OP for image of the SKU we have coming in: 53PSP-15SC-GR Two-Tier Blind Corner Optimizer w/SoftClose).


    The challenge remains: the vertical height clearance we specified for this cabinet mechanism was 12” (see photo with tape measure in my OP), which is the height specified for the quantity eleven 750 ml bottles of wines and spirits I store there because I cook with them.


    Thus, the pricey solution ordered by the kitchen designer is too short by an inch.


    I requested 12” vertical clearance on both of the two levels and was told they found an organizer meeting that spec. Only now, after all the custom cabinets have been installed, did we discover that is not the case. This is an integral part of our kitchen’s functionality, so I cannot ignore it, find a different storage area, and move on. The current situation renders that corner useless for the storage I had planned for it. I need this issue resolved within the original specification.


    If anyone knows a #Rev-a-Shelf or other brand of mechanism that will provide a 12” vertical height clearance with our existing new 15” blind corner custom cabinet, please do share!


    The stone counters are fabricated but not yet installed, so we have time to fix this. We just need a product that will honor our vertical height clearance spec of 12”.


    For reference, @Patricia Colwell Consulting, our cabinet layout looks very much like the blind corner cabinet placement shown in the prior post by @Jennifer Hogan of the white cabinets in her own kitchen.

  • 7 days ago
    last modified: 7 days ago

    @Lorraine Leroux thank you for pointing out the top shelf in the product coming in may be moveable, so it can also be removed. I will call Rev-a-Shelf Tech Support to inquire about this as I might be willing to sacrifice one of the top shelves if that would give me 12” remaining vertical clearance on the bottom shelf below the removed top shelf.

    I am not seeing the hooks in the top of the OP picture. Could you possibly circle them for me and repost the image? Many thanks for your gracious observation and possible resolution to our situation.🌺

  • 7 days ago

    @Minardi Please tell me the SKU for the Rev-a-Shelf product you cited that is adjustable; I do not have any fixed shelves that would impede that option.


    Our blind corner cabinet is 15” as illustrated by the Rev-a-Shelf mechanism we have coming in as shown in my OP.


    Also, our blind corner cabinet placement is like the one illustrated in the above post by @Jennifer Hogan (the first image in her post, the one she says illustrates the blind corner cabinet in her own kitchen).

  • PRO
    7 days ago

    If you are a sommelier then you above all others understand the need for wine to be stored correctly all the time and as a chef I will state wine once opened in the fridge and used quickly not in a cabinet ..

  • PRO
    7 days ago

    The product is an active link in the post.

    purpleplume thanked Minardi
  • 7 days ago
    last modified: 7 days ago

    @patriciacolwellconsulting I’m sure your remarks about wine storage will be helpful to others in the Houzz community who read this thread. It would be more helpful to me if we could take the conversation back to the original topic, which was if anyone could suggest a blind corner cabinet mechanism with a vertical height clearance of 12” to address my specific situation.


    As a wine professional, I have invested in multiple types of wine preservation and storage systems that go beyond those used by most people. It could be interesting to discuss those options in detail in a separate thread, if someone wishes to start one. I am not going to elaborate on that topic in this thread as my question is about finding a mechanism for our now installed blind corner cabinet as detailed in prior posts.


    Thank you to anyone who could graciously share information that would be helpful in resolving my original query.

  • 6 days ago

    I just got back to this post to see where things have gone and read that you actually have a 15" door to a blind cabinet. How sad. Narrow doored blind cabinets are the worst, but it is built now.


    Can I ask how much clearance you have with the model that was ordered? How tall is the cabinet opening? Does the cabinet have a drawer? Do you have 12" clearance for the top shelf?


    The space between the hooks for the two shelves is 11", but do you get enough space if you hang the baskets on different rungs. Can you get closer to 12" clearance by hanging the bottom shelf at the lowest position and the top shelf at the highest position?


    If you can't adjust this one to provide the 12" clearance you could replace with the 3 tier model and only use 2 of the shelves on one side, providing you with a shelf that holds the taller bottles,


  • 6 days ago

    See how this Rev A Shelf has the top shelf on the left hanging at a lower position than on the right? The one on the left is hanging from the top rung, but you would probably get another inch plus hanging it from the third rung. The baskets on your model are a bit different, but still look like you could squeeze out another inch.



    purpleplume thanked Jennifer Hogan
  • 6 days ago

    One other option is have a metal shop add hooks 1" higher than the original hooks.

    purpleplume thanked Jennifer Hogan
  • PRO
    6 days ago

    I could be an idiot, but to me? Once opened, not fully used is the same as a decant to a very secure screw top or corked vessel.

    "(Marsala, Madeira, Dry Sherry, Cream Sherry, Port, White Port, Armagnac, and Cognac, Calvados, Grand Marnier, Kirsch, etc.). Technically, not everything I listed is wine; some are spirits and some are fortified wines",

    Example?


    "Fortified wines, like Port and Sherry, should be stored in a cool, dark place with minimal temperature fluctuations. They should ideally be stored horizontally to keep the cork moist. Once opened, most fortified wines can be kept in the refrigerator for several weeks. "

    "Armagnac needs only upright storage and cool dry place...."


    Seems to me, not ALL need be exactly same place, just handy, and a turn table in an upper cupboard, one cabinet shelf removed, would be similar storage. Mise en Place cooking would have it ready for the range and vessel.




    purpleplume thanked JAN MOYER
  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    The installer put it in today and said he made it so I have 12 1/4” vertical clearance. I haven’t seen it yet. Over the weekend I will see what he did to achieve that. I will report back.


    @Jennifer Hogan The blind cabinet does not have a drawer. Over the weekend I will try to answer the rest of your questions regarding measurements. You are correct my model is a bit different than the one you posted because mine has a sold bottom for each basket—which I prefer—not an open chrome structure comprising the base of each shelf.


    Now that it’s in, perhaps I can get some photos that show the hook placements he used and also take some vertical height clearance measurements for the baskets on the top and bottom levels.

  • PRO
    3 days ago

    Did it work?