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Thermo break vs non thermo break windows

27 days ago

Hello, Does anyone have experience with non-thermo break metal windows in cold temperatures? We can get solid (non-thermo break) aluminum frame windows from a Florida manufacturerer for our cold climate mountain house. Does anbody know if there may be frost or other issues even though they are insulated glass? Thank you

Comments (17)

  • 27 days ago

    Don't do it. Replaced insulated glass aluminum windows and the difference in winter is substantial.

    Magic Carpet thanked dan1888
  • 27 days ago
    last modified: 27 days ago

    Agree 100% with Dan, don't do it. Even though thermo-break aluminum is not the best choice for a cold climate, it's still much better than solid aluminum.

    Magic Carpet thanked oberon476
  • 27 days ago

    Thank you so much for the input. What problems do you think we may experience? There is an almost 50% higher cost with the non-Florida options.

  • 27 days ago

    Well personally I can't see how they can break the thermal heat (energy) transfer with aan aluminum frame and glass has a very low R value anyhows, generally 4 to 7 at best. And then install in walls with R 21 to 35. Really don't matter. Do you plan on insulated curtains ?

    Magic Carpet thanked aklogcabin
  • 27 days ago

    Thanks for the input, I was looking for if there was an engineering reason such as frost on the inside of the windows due to condensation. The poster above suggested to not worry about beauty treatments which I'm not, however I do know where you can save 40K, I would do it if it makes sense. I'm looking for the real reasons not to.

  • 27 days ago

    My stepmother once owned an old Tudor Revival house in Pittsburgh with steel framed casements. The cold came straight through those frames. The problems went way beyond just having frost on the inside of the windows. It was more like keeping a door open all winter. Storm windows didn't help. Just don't do it.


    Magic Carpet thanked mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
  • PRO
    27 days ago

    The answer is contained in the very first three word sentence of the first comment.


    "Don't do it." - dan1888


    Magic Carpet thanked Mark Bischak, Architect
  • 27 days ago
    last modified: 27 days ago

    Consider changing some casement opening windows for fixed. They'll look the same. The cost savings will be substantial. Every window lets in light and gives a view. They all don't need to open. I'm afraid we're also going to recommend you don't get vinyl.

    Magic Carpet thanked dan1888
  • 27 days ago
    last modified: 27 days ago
    • I would do it if it makes sense.
    • I'm looking for the real reasons not to.

    The real reason is that it doesn't make sense to use a product designed for use in Florida in a "cold climate" - which most people would not say that Florida is! The insulated glass does change the performance of the aluminum frame in the cold.


    But I have to ask:

    1. Where are you located?
    2. Why do you even want aluminum framed windows?
    Magic Carpet thanked dennisgli
  • 27 days ago

    Thank you. I hear don't do it, but I still don't know the reasons why. Frost? Condensation? Simply energy efficiency? Meanwhile, I am in FL and can get windows here at cost. The property is in MT. We like the way the metal windows will update the look of the property. We do have some fixed picture windows where possible. Thanks again for your input.

  • PRO
    27 days ago

    When a shelter is designed to meet the needs of the site, things generally works out well. When a shelter is designed to meet desires of fashion, things can go astray.

    Without a thermal break you will experience heat/cold transition between interior and exterior space. You may experience condensation, frosting, drafts, higher heat bills, potential building restrictions, stuck wet tongues to window frames, and other discomforts.

    There is no thermal break between the pan and the handle of a cast iron pan. By the time your eggs are cooked in a cast iron pan you will want a thermal break between your hand and the pan's handle.

    Magic Carpet thanked Mark Bischak, Architect
  • 27 days ago

    I hear don't do it, but I still don't know the reasons why.

    Frost? -- yes

    Condensation? -- yes

    Simply energy efficiency? -- bad

    Magic Carpet thanked oberon476
  • 27 days ago

    There's not going to be frost. Why? because your furnace without a humidifier wil be running enough to remove the moisture needed for frost. Marvin Modern line has thin frame fiberglass windows that will give you the metal look you like.

    Magic Carpet thanked dan1888
  • 27 days ago

    If OP isn't willing to pay more for the thermal break version of a Florida made window, I don't think they are going to pay for Marvin ...

    Magic Carpet thanked chispa
  • PRO
    27 days ago
    last modified: 27 days ago

    Do not do it because you will not pass inspection. After the red tag, you will still end up paying for the more expensive windows you should have installed in the first place. And ripping these out.


    Buying windows twice is just dumb. But some people have to learn the hard lesson to not be so ”frugal” and dumb that they cost themselves double money in the end.

    Magic Carpet thanked Brody Design Build
  • 26 days ago

    I hear don't do it, but I still don't know the reasons why.

    Frost? -- yes

    Condensation? -- yes

    Simply energy efficiency? -- bad



    ^^^^^ exactly!! Plus if a permit is needed you will not get one with solid aluminum windows.

    Magic Carpet thanked millworkman