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How did you do it? - countertop support at end of peninsula?

7 days ago
last modified: 6 days ago

I know I shoulda figured this out already. but I am wondering how to adequately support my countertop, which will be 3 cm quartz (1 1/4"), that will not have a piece of plywood under it. In the photo, the corner that is marked with blue tape on the floor is the space for the dishwasher.

A cabinet box was not made for the dishwasher. There will be a side Cover panel of 3/4” wood ADDED to the side of cabinet (C) and will continue along the side of the dishwasher and is the only support for the countertop in that corner. The cabinetmaker says this is enough support, but I don't see it. I am waiting for feedback from my countertop installer, but thought I'd check in here.

Cabinet A side panel is 3/4” plywood. Cabinet A front is open for a farm sink.
Cabinet plywood at B is 1/2 inch wood.
Cabinet C side box panel is 3/4 inch plywood





Another issue I see is that the plywood walls are not flush at the tops. I understand a flat surface is key to support the countertop without flex. Can this be fixed with shims, as my cabinetmaker insists? Is this for the cabinetmaker to do or the countertop installer?




Comments (16)

  • 6 days ago

    As we all know, granite and other stone is strong in compression, weak in tension. However, so called quartz (minerals in a plastic matrix) is different and probably stronger in tension. I have a soapstone counter that extends across a dishwasher space to a narrow end cabinet, and consider it safe. It is not a place where someone would try to sit. If not for the farm sink, of more concern would the expanse over the sink area where people do lean, and the counter is typically narrow between the sink and the user.

    If I were you, I would make sure the supporting surface was level and flat everywhere before the counter top arrives for fitting. The counter-top fabricator should be able to specify the tolerance on flatness that his adhesives will accommodate. Whether you do the work or the cabinet maker does the work will depend on what your contract calls for.

    Jeanette Mieko thanked kaseki
  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    PPF, thank you. Do you think that the one 3/4 inch cover panel across cabinet C and extending along the side of the dishwasher provides enough support for the quartz countertop at that side? Ii'm not sure my concern, just want to get it right!

  • 6 days ago

    How is that end panel being designed and installed? There are different ways to do it. Will the finished end panel go all the way to the floor OR will it "float" and have a toe-kick?


    I would have wanted a thicker full coverage finished end panel, to have a nice sturdy support at that end of that counter.

    See my photos below.


    "Floating" finished end panel with toe-kick


    Finished end panel to the floor. This end panel is thicker (2") as it is a large floating vanity with a "leg" at each end.




  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    Thank you chispa, good point! We wanted the floating end with the toe kick, because it's 4 ft. wide at that end and it looks somewhat bulky next to a 42" path from room to room. I wanted the toekick because sometimes I work on the end of the peninsula and, also to clean easier. The cabinetmaker says a panel to the floor is sturdier, as you pointed out, so that may be the way to go.


    Also, even with a toekick, it would not wrap around the "left" side (in my photo) because the dishwasher is there... unlike your first photo. Hmmmm, now thinking the panel to the floor makes sense.

  • PRO
    6 days ago

    C cabinet has a recessed toekick on the left. That would normally be a custom modification. I wonder why they did that? The 3/4" loose end panel will need to be FLUSH TO THE FLOOR in order to support the weight of your countertop.


    You have three points of support: the sink base panel on the left, the right, and the 3/4 panel at the end. That should be enough support, but you might want to screw some extra bracing inside the sink base and inside the DW cavity to make sure it's rigid and won't start to shimmy around. Does that make sense?


    But ultimately, I think you need to ask the countertop fabricator. They are the ones to say if the cabinets are level and secured.

    Jeanette Mieko thanked The Kitchen Place
  • 6 days ago

    After checking, one other factor is possibly worth noting: My cabinets (made by Tedd Wood) have sides that go to the floor so the counter weight is directly supported by the wood in compression. I'm not sure whether that even matters for quartz, but supporting the sides by the cabinet base shelf carrying the load to a separate base via a few nails could be an issue with heavy counters. My tendency is to assume any well-regarded cabinet maker will do the right thing, if only as a result of his experience. It is unclear what panel "D" will have as a structure when it is to have a toe kick zone like side "C."

  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    kaseki, Yes, that is an interesting question. I believe you are saying that the weight gets transfered from the base shelf side (which has the integrity of being built like a box) to the outside cover panel and that may have load issues, especially considering the fasteners (nails, glue?).

    My cabinetmaker does not like the discussion, he has confidence in his expertise but since he doesn't want to explain the structural support, I have become uncomfortable. He retired halfway through our project and is subbing the job out to another shop, who are acting as his workers. The new builders communicate better than he does, but he doesn't let me talk to them directly. He is basically acting as a contractor now.

  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    Why isn’t the simple answer to use steel support beams? They are used sitting on top of the cabinet bases & with cut outs for beams so they are flush with top of bases. My 10’ long angled island with a seamless quartz top & counter height 15” extension for seating along the back side has 6 steel beams for support. There are no legs or corbels used.

    Jeanette Mieko thanked KW PNW Z8
  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    The kitchen place, I did not specify a recessed toe kick on the side of cabinet C, if that is what you mean. Cabinetmaker did not discuss the side of the cabinet with me. I did want toe kicks, in general. Also, specifics were lost in translation, I explained above that the cabinetmaker farmed the work off to the shop across from him, but calls them his workers. The reason being that he retired.

    I am having an AHA moment today, thanks to you and kaseki, FLUSH to the FLOOR makes sense. Thank you! As far as adding extra bracing in the sink base and DW cavity, do you mean metal or wood... I mean do you have something in mind or are you making a general recommendation?

  • PRO
    6 days ago

    There are a bunch of ways to do this, and you are probably overthinking, but here is one idea.

    Run a panel top to bottom that is flush with the toe kick on C. That gives you support for the top.

    Add spacers as required for the applied side panel. Same for the front to maintain the toe kick.


    Jeanette Mieko thanked PPF.
  • 6 days ago

    I concur. Width of the DW cavity should be sufficient for both Euro and USA width dishwashers. If using a Euro DW, a thin ~ 3/8 strip with cabinet finish can be attached to one side. This assumes that the front-to-back distance is adequate for a USA DW.

    W.r.t. the farm sink. Either its weight is supported by the counter, or by the shelf. Achieving both would be tricky and likely defeated by temperature and humidity. Hence, either the sink shelf should be reinforced (if needed!) or the front of the cabinet needs some structural support for the sink. Not having ever seen the underside of a farm sink, I can't make any suggestions for ensuring weight is brought to the cabinet side panels. In all cases assume the sink weight includes water and a transmission case. 😂

  • 6 days ago

    "Why isn’t the simple answer to use steel support beams?" I was wondering the same thing, but since the pros didn't suggest that I kept scrolling until I saw your question. I'm wondering if that would be a good option here and I personally would err on the side of caution (meaning, strong support.) (OP still needs to figure out how that end panel will work.)

    OP: This is similar to what I have. As you can see the steel bars are set into and across the cabinet boxes. This is something I'd definitely want the fabricator to weigh in on.


    Jeanette Mieko thanked chicagoans
  • 6 days ago

    Be sure the electrical connection, water supply, and drain are in the proper positions to support the selected dishwasher. For both Bosch 300 and Kitchenaid 204 dishwashers I checked, all are expected to enter the dishwasher cavity through a hole cut through the wall of an adjacent cabinet. While you can hardwire them, both dishwashers support plugging them into a 120-volt wall outlet in the adjacent cabinet (probably cabinet A in your case) which is easier.

    (I installed my dishwasher before the countertop was installed which made it easy because I could easily manipulate it from above.)

    Jeanette Mieko thanked wdccruise
  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    PPF, thanks! We just mocked-up something similar w/ plywood. We didn't bring the toe kick forward for the front of DW, but I like that!

  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    KW PNW Z8, thanks I'll consider the steel support beams. I'm ignorant about those and I wonder if I can get them in at this point. It would be a job for another vendor and not the cabinetmaker, he doesn't use them. Oh, I just measured! ... and support beams would occupy space below the level of the cabinet tops, which would intrude on my minimum of 3/4 inch required above the dishwasher and below the countertop.

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