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Moves and Remodels? Do they Have to be hard

25 days ago
last modified: 25 days ago

They need not be nearly as hard as most folks make them. Doing both simultaneously can be double daunting, but there is logic behind a smoother path.

You need two words. The first is Purge, next is Plan. They are nearly interchangeable. They are fact. They are reversible for Purge/Plan in moving and Plan/Purge for a remodel. Complexity varies with distance, to ignore either spells yet another word: Perilous.

Rarely is a move a surprise. Make time your ally. Begin SMALL to large, outside the house and beneath the house, first. WHAT? Yes.

Your furnishings will not make a killer move, the other stuff of life, WILL.

The agony of unpack and settle at a new locale isn't about Granny's armoire, or your lumpy brown leather couch or what to do about the piano nobody plays.

It is about every single blasted doo dad you own, from paper clips, pens, pencils, to power cords, photos framed or other. Bed sheets to bath supplies, tools and toys, books, bottles, brooms and brushes, baby blankets of old, trash and treasure, and ALL of it will lurk in every single basement, garage, every cupboard, every closet, drawer, in every room you own.

You methodically pick a location, outside/inside one at a time, and yes, you rid yourself of every darn thing you do not need, want, or consider necessary to life as you know it. You decrease abundance in categories. Do you need 150 colored markers? Thousands of photos nobody has glanced at in decades? Books, nobody wants to read a second time?

What about all that 19.99 discount store crapola in your basement, "not bothering anyone". HAH! It has to be packed!

Movers: A "mover " will pack a leftover soap wafer or a Coke can left in a bedroom, in a box the size of a cage for your huge dog, replete with enough paper around each to cover earth. You will p.a.y for all of it, and will deal with it at your destination: (

DON'T pay, p.u.r.g.e. Pack as you purge, anything you do not need for current living. Don't let movers pack smalls, especially those non breakable. It always sounds good, it never IS good. At the very least, you don't want them packing whatever you don't w.a.n.t. Whatever can be packed in clear totes, duct taped closed ? Do it. Bed linens, soft decorative items, plastic toys, folded clothes and ONLY those things you need and want. Label "what and to where", and the words now and later.

The now and later words: You don't need table top photos, books, decorative doo dads, Christmas ornaments the first days of entering a new address. You need time. You need your kitchen, but not ALL of it - you aren't baking Xmas cookies, any cookies, the first week in a new home.

Use the garage, any room in the house you can dedicate to "later unpacking" . Stage three garage walls with "later" . Later does not mean more than a single week, it usually means just a couple days.

Local moves are a bonus. Drive what you can. That means LAMPS and their shades, number what goes with what! the "later" of a kitchen, the important paper of life and more. Art, mirrors, photo gallery etc? You can not hang a darn thing until furniture is placed. Don't let a mover put these in your path. Find "elsewhere" and use it until you have an arrangement of the big stuff . Nothing but nothing is worse than WEEKS of " boxes and whatever" and you mutter over and over....."Oh, so sorry, pardon our mess, we just moved in last month! " You don't need a month, you need a few days at most.

The longer you were in one residence, the more you may have. But I will guarantee one thing from experience and so many moving clients, and I have lost count in three decades plus...minor to massive size dwelling:

You can be settled in the new place to the last picture nail in a wall, within three days max, if you do the purge, the now, and the later. Believe it.

Remodel

DON'T even contemplate it without a plan.

Yes, it is tempting to demo a hideous kitchen, a bath. No. You never, ever, do this.

It is laughably common, (just here on this site), how very often raw courage overtakes contemplation.

"Can we see a picture of the original condition of this"?

"No.......we demo'd and this is what we have, the cabinets are all ordered, and now we're not sure if this will fit on this wall!? , we may have goofed."

No matter the kitchen the bath, the addition...everything begins with the plan from budget, from feet and inches, to what goes where. To having every major element chosen, on order, on the way. Contracts, everything in writing included.

Doubly dangerous? The recent concept of "I can endure no disruptions, ever. I must create House Beautiful before a move in. I've lived with ugly for ten years, I MUST have a new whatever it is, in eight weeks, or I will hang myself."

Equally common? You did "plan" ! You have it all. Oh.....indeed! You have a dining room or living room with EVERY single piece of junk that came out of your kitchen. Every grime encrusted , stained who knows what....and you're living in a drywall dust nightmare.

You never purged, you never PURGED boxed, crated, carted to the basement, covered , all you will NOT need in a kitchen remodel which is eighty percent of what usually lives in your kitchen. You waited until two days prior to a contractor at your doorstep, you have a grungy garage full of who knows what. Your door is hanging open, the flies are buzzing and you are living in what can only be described as pure hell.

Again.......the purge word. She's boring me.....!!

I'll end with this:

Never in any time prior, have people owned the massive amount of consumer goods found in the most common of American homes.

Every generation leaves a past: and the past grows ever more abundant. More is purchased with a click than be imagined....every holiday is a MAJOR holiday and it isn't enough to honor it, decorate for it.....you have to DECORATE!!!. Much of it will be everlasting "faux" and too little of it will be put back into the earth.

I'm not the ownership policeman. Nobody can tell you the should or should not of possessions.

But remodels of late, moves of late, from just my own clients..... makes me want two things only.

Contractor bags, and a dumpster. For every single one of them: )

Have at it kids!

Comments (23)

  • PRO
    25 days ago

    It's definitely more expensive to move while you remodel. You need to find somewhere else to live and unless you move in with someone else (gratis) you will pay. It would also be more disruptive, especially if you have kids.

    We've done a LOT of remodeling since we've been married, and always did it room by room, and lived in our house while the work was going on. The hardest are the kitchen and master bathrooms. Cooking on a hot plate and washing dishes in the bathroom sink isn't fun. Ergo lots of takeout, which gets old fast!

  • 25 days ago

    I marvel at those that can afford to have all the work done before the move in. Double housing costs as well as remodel costs all at the same time is no small thing. We too have always DIYd so lived around the mess as it was done. The first kitchen before kids was easier than the next with three but not impossible. It helps not to sell your appliances --just relocate them while the work is being done. When you only have one bathroom---remodeling it takes very strategic planning!!

  • PRO
    25 days ago

    I think after reading one of your other posts, Jan, that I misunderstood your question. On a second reading I think you were asking is it hard to remodel your home and then move to another one? My answer to that is it depends. How much do you want/need to spend to get the home in saleable condition? What is the market price of the home and how much cash do you want to walk away with? What is the neighborhood like? Are buyers likely to rip out your new kitchens/bath/etc. or do they want a move-in ready home? Or do they tear down perfectly nice homes and re-build much larger ones?

  • PRO
    24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    ^^

    By way of a brief explanation? A client leaving a BIG house, a remodel of MUCH smaller. .....not a little smaller.

    A rush in the remodel, that reasonably needed nine months, an insistence it take six. People tripping over one another, redo of things not well done, for lack of TIME. Beating on a contractor as it's "his fault" despite not listening to what is possible and what is not.

    The move:

    Agree the designer is in charge of what goes to the new from the former home, ask for list.....then ignore list the designer provides, five times, in PDF and in a pictorial that took two days to provide. It all has to come out of a warehouse, where it had to go from a too fast move out, where not ONE single thing was purged. A five thousand sq foot warehouse,

    Designer arrives at new not quite complete inside of the new home, wreck of outside construction far from completion, meets her movers and......................having ignored her purge tutorial, she is greeted with tubs and crates, all over and in her path of set up, every blessed thing not needed. I truly wish I had a picture of this.

    The arduous begins. Six hours later....she limps out of the house on swollen feet. Designer must go back again, tomorrow. Hope is not springing eternal that much of it will have been dealt with.

    Designer, right now, is feeling nothing but dread. Her usual standard/high bar for completion of install is nothing close to that standard. I'll leave it at that sorry state, and with my usual mantra....

    "You can't be happy until I am happy. If you are not yet happy....( and in this case they shouldn't be!! ) You probably didn't listen. You probably ignored all advice as to p.r.o.c.e.s.s of PURGE/PLAN.

    Yup......you did just that. Ignored. I need a drink

  • 24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    "Movers: A "mover " will pack a leftover soap wafer or a Coke can left in a bedroom, in a box the size of a cage for your huge dog, replete with enough paper around each to cover earth. You will p.a.y for all of it, and will deal with it at your destination"

    I was very good at organizing before our major moves, some of them overseas, but we still ended up with some weird stuff being packed, luckily nothing large or expensive.

    We did have one "funny" story. When my kids were little we had friends that were moving cross country. We bought their large playground set and paid to have it moved and reassembled at our house a few miles away, but the mover/assembler did not want to deal with the sand in the built-in sandbox.

    We went to their house a few days before to dig out all the sand and put it in heavy duty trash bags. In the meantime our friend's movers showed up and they knew not to touch the play-set, but they put all that heavy bagged sand on the cross country moving truck! I guess the orders were to pack everything outside the house, except the play-set, so they did just that.

  • 24 days ago

    We’ve moved a lot for two different reasons. First we moved intoto our house, which we knew needed renovating. Our first contractor said we could live there during the work. Thankfully he quit and our second said we needed to move into the basement suite downstairs which we did and all was well. We lived in the gross house for less than two months before renovations began and Im so grateful we never took the advice in this group to live in the space etc. Nope! Not needed. We wanted it gutted asap, we didn’t have a big paper plan, gasp, and I regret only one decision of our whole house remodel, and it was our kitchen tile. Living in the suite was also amazing because we were nearby and with me working part time I was able to answer a ton of in the moment questions.

    We also went through the processing of buying a tear down and building a new home. We moved three times in three years for that, for school reasons for the kids and it was hard but by the time we moved into our new house we were a well oiled moving machine and had really trimmed the fat on all the junk we had. We used the same movers every time and knew them well in the end!

  • PRO
    24 days ago

    We have lived in the house through 2 huge renos but it was after the kids were gone. We have now just downsized huge into a home that has been already completely renovated amzingly in our style . But had to pack a 3200 sq ft house in 3 weeks so many things got packed becuse we were in a rush now I am purging and unfortunately my husband passed away before we had been here 2 months .My goal is 5 boxes a day to really keep only what I need , big job but helping me adapt too.

  • 24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    Diana …. yes , the hardest, by far, was the kitchen & master bathroom. Never again. we moved to our current home a few years ago, it had been completely remodeled by the previous owner a few years earlier. While it’s not EXACTLY done to our taste in some areas, there is no way I’m going through an extensive remodel again. We did redo the exterior landscape & hardscape, not bad except for a few days of jackhammering, ugh!

  • 24 days ago

    In my first house move, the movers had packed the full diaper pail. It was an international move and well over a month before it got to our new house. Now, I rescued it. I was really lucky because I'd asked my mother about it (will the movers pack everything? my shoes?) and she'd made a joke about the diaper pail, which is why I checked and managed to rescue it before it got onto the truck.


    I've done a ton of moves, many of them international, and it's stressful. I find purging stressful, so purging when I'm saying goodbye to my home, friends, community is just impossible. (It helped that the company was always paying for the move). So, we have all sorts of treasures in our basement, like my husband's notes from college, now augmented by my son's. Retired after a long and successful career in finance, does Hubs really need the notes he made in Accounting 101?

  • PRO
    24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    ^^



    Ditto and all so true.

    Not sure anyone would ever declare the whittle down of anything to be fun, for some it is always more difficult than for others, but midst grief has yet more challenges.

    One thing that can be said? It is... rather freeing. In grief, you can have an all out darn good CRY. You can even laugh through your tears.

    In an "I can't stand it anymore!!" moment? You can be 100% ruthless , spend days talking to yourself..."wth wth wth" was I ( OR OTHER ) thinking when I bought this; when she gave me this thing?

    It's worth remembering just one thing. We come into the world empty handed. We exit identically, no matter how much or how little we may leave behind.

    Gifting others, donating, dumping et al, might best be done in our time , while still on this earth: )

  • 24 days ago

    I also don’t think we need to take on purging if it doesn’t serve us. My MIL feels compelled to purge because she thinks we want her to so it will be easier when she eventually downsizes or is forced to. But it stresses her out. I see no value in her spending time, in retirement, being stressed. Yes it will be onerous for us down the line but so be it. I want her to enjoy life now not worry about when she’s gone or can’t manage.

  • 24 days ago

    @Patricia Colwell Consulting - I'm really sorry to read about your circumstances. Hang in there.

  • PRO
    24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    I just tripped on this: )

    "Grief has a way of burying us in fear and hesitation. But sometimes, healing is tucked away in the very place we’ve been avoiding—in a dusty garage, a forgotten drawer, an unopened box.

    If you’ve been putting off going through someone’s things because it feels too heavy, too final, too painful—I get it. But when the time is right, what you find might not break you.

    It might just rebuild you"

    The whole very sweet story from above, here:

    https://tasty.ma2roc.tech/2025/10/two-years-after-my-husbands-death-i.html






  • 24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    I read Jan's post as advice re: the best way to handle moving/renovating.

    You need to follow the two P's -

    Moving = Purge/Plan

    Renovating = Plan/Purge

    When I was moving from a prior house to a house I was building, I was 8+ months pregnant with my youngest daughter. The timing was great because it coincided with my need to "nest" - I purged SO MUCH stuff. It made the move so much easier.

    We sold the house so fast that we had to do a short term rental - so, it was very important to have boxes that were marked "apartment" = "now" and "storage" = "later" (in addition "what"/"where").

    @Patricia Colwell Consulting - I didn't realize that you just had moved into a new home a couple months ago. The biggest stress event is the loss of a spouse. Moving to a new home is further down the list - but it's also stressful. Make sure that you take care of yourself while going through all of this.

    I'm sure that unpacking and getting settled in your new home is a nice distraction for you. I've never lost a spouse/partner/significant other, but I've had an extremely difficult time dealing with the unexpected loss of my mom. I was a HUGE "mama's girl" and she lived less than five minutes away from my house - we talked every day. I can only imagine how difficult it is to lose a spouse that you've been with for 50+ years.

    Make sure that you post photos of your new house - we'd all love to see it. It must have been nice to find a newly renovated home that matches your style!

    JAN MOYER thanked dani_m08
  • 24 days ago

    One thing I forgot -


    the designer is in charge of what goes to the new from the former home, ask for list . . .


    Jan - I would kill for a list from you re: what things need to stay and what to purge. I'm not moving - but I've received items from my mom's house + my SO has moved in = there are too many items in my home = it's driving me crazy!!!!!

  • PRO
    24 days ago

    @Patricia Colwell Consulting I'm so sorry for your loss.



  • PRO
    24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    @dani_m08

    You know there's a private message feature...? : )

  • 24 days ago

    @Patricia Colwell Consulting, I'm sorry for your loss and that you have to handle your grief and settling into your new place all at the same time. Hopefully you have family and/or friends to help you through this time.

    Recently I helped a good family friend pack up her DH's clothes from their closet and I took them to a thrift store that donated their proceeds to a good cause. She wasn't up to doing it on her own. Don't be afraid to ask for help if you need it.

  • PRO
    23 days ago

    Thank you all sorry was not looking for symapthy but more just how I handle stuff . But you all have been so kind . I am loving the new place and we had some great plans for landscaping which I am now going to spend some of my sad times planning on bringing those plans to life in the spring . The stuff that was his will just take me time,I feel like I am erasing him when I think of getting rid of it but that issue will pass I am sure with time . Tahnks again and happy purging

  • PRO
    23 days ago

    @Patricia Colwell Consulting my friend is currently going through this with the recent loss of his wife. He is trying to get rid of a few things every day. He will pick a few things up and put them on the table, then get a few more things and decide which he would want to keep and gets rid of the other things on the table ( donate, throw out, give away ) . He also has family coming to help with things like clothes, extra kitchen stuff.

    It is a slow process, but it is making him feel like he isn't just throwing her stuff out. A little at a time.

    Hope that helps. All the best to you.

  • PRO
    23 days ago

    I am in the depths of the packing and purge stage to prepare for my renovation. Holy crap! The stuff you gather over the years. I am trying to be ruthless. At this stage of life, I need few things to make me happy in my space. Some stuff is hard to let go but I really want to be down to bare minimum. We'll see.................

  • PRO
    23 days ago

    I have a client who didnt toss her hubs five hundred bow ties for four years!

    Yet…. you never know….

    I cleaned out my dads desk within days!

    Taped to the bottom of a drawer , a letter I wrote to him at 17. A tearful rant on trust , curfews….you ger the idea.

    I was right to a great degree- (the oldest always paves the way for the younger siblings and the bar is lowered for them)!

    Parents , nn as you realize much later, DO acknowledge imperfection :)

    You just never know the sweet things you may find … in your own time table for that process of letting go.





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