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New cabinets look tan instead of white !!

29 days ago

Please help! We are in the mist of a kitchen Reno . Some of my cabinets are picking up a tan color . All should be white !! The company is telling us it’s because of the 45 degree angle of the corner cabinets . We have plenty of can lights so not sure what to do . Any suggestions?? Or design the corner differently??

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  • 29 days ago

    Were they all the same white BEFORE being installed? If you look head on at the cabinets that look beige do they look white? Being as the upper and lower both look tan I would say it is the angle and the lighting. You may not have the layout correct for the lighting or you need a different kelvins degree light type.

  • 29 days ago

    Oh, yeah -- the cabinets to the right of the range definitely look different from the others. Talk to your contractor.

  • 29 days ago

    Remove one of the tan looking doors. Hold it partially over one of the white looking doors so they are receiving the same shadows and light. This will be the true test.


    If you post in the comments a pic of the interior hinges, someone on here will be able to show you how to safely and easily remove a door.

  • 29 days ago

    Ok thank you ! The color looks similar but maybe still off a tad . If this is truly a lighting / an angle issue . We will need to change our corner cabinets to more of a front facing door . A 90 degree angle . 😞 we have tried can lights on all different brightness

  • 29 days ago

    Is it noticeable at all hours? We had a shadow on a wall but it only looked confusing during certain hours. I swore that the painter hadn't painted that wall. Sun moved, no difference in colors. I apologized!

  • 29 days ago

    Take two drawers outside so you can look at them in unadulterated light next to each other. If they look different from each other, switch them around to be sure.

  • 29 days ago

    If doors 1 & 2 and drawers 3 & 4 are the same size, then switching them will quickly show you if they are all white or the light is turning things beige to the right of the range.



  • 29 days ago

    “If this is truly a lighting / an angle issue . We will need to change our corner cabinets to more of a front facing door . A 90 degree angle .“


    I’m sure that would be a pain, might not totally resovle the issue, but these angled doors are extremely dated. Between the angle and wine rack, I assumed at first that these were old cabinets you were having painted.

  • PRO
    29 days ago

    It’s a LIGHTING issue. Has nothing to do with the corner cabinet. The whole lighting plan is symmetrical, and all wrong for the actual kitchen. A complely new lighting plan is needed.

  • 29 days ago

    @Monique Can you educate us by explaining what is wrong?

  • 29 days ago

    Yes , what is wrong with the lights and what should I have fixed?? . That is only one part of the kitchen . There are other can lights throughout

  • 29 days ago

    Also the old Cabinets were white in this kitchen before with 90 degrees angles . I didn’t have any lighting issues before these new ones went in . So if that angled cabinet is causing it . What other option is there ? Just a typical L shape design ??

  • 28 days ago

    @kendra We took doors off to test and moved them around to different areas . Everything is white . So not even sure where to go from here!

  • 28 days ago

    @Kendrah I meant

  • 28 days ago

    We took doors off the beige part and moved to the whiter part . They match everything is white . Unfortunately, not sure where to go from here

  • 28 days ago
    last modified: 28 days ago

    If the color is not the issue than the lighting is the issue. Does this happen at night with just the overhead lights on? Is there light coming from a window that is shining on just the tan cabinets? Is there a reflective surface that is directing light toward these particular cabinets?


    The 45 degree corner cabinets don't seem to be impacted, so removing them will most likely not solve the issue.

  • 28 days ago

    @Jennifer . It’s daylight coming in . The backside of the house has a lot of natural light coming . It’s most noticeable from about 10-5 . Light on or off . At night it looks more light , lights on or off

  • 28 days ago

    @Jennifer more WHITE at night . Daylight is the problem coming through the windows I believe

  • 28 days ago

    @Millworkman , yes we double checked , all cabinets are white before being installed . We have tried different Kelvins in my can lights warm /cool and nothing seems to help . It’s all the daylight coming in . I’m at a loss! Might have to change the layout

  • 28 days ago

    This is just a natural phenomenon. I have a white stucco wall surrounding my patio and it looks like it is a slightly different color on each wall because of the way the sun hits it. The rear wall always looks more off white.

    Mariette Himes-Gomez used to try to get really "flat" boundry -less walls and ceilings in her projects so that all walls and ceiling were a Uniform white. This sometimes meant that each wall and the ceiling were a slightly different shade of white in order to achieve that.


    I think this is just going to be the way it is unless you literally screen the light coming in.

  • 25 days ago

    If it were me I would not change the layout at this point- I would finish the project and then reasses

  • 25 days ago

    I am wondering if you could make this much better by changing some of the can lights into flush mounts or semi-flush mounts with white glass shades. Such lights throw a much wider and diffuse spread of light, pretty much 360, compared to the down cone of cans/wafers.

    It would be a relatively inexpensive fix compared to cabinet changes! I know of several designers who regularly avoid cans in the kitchen- as someone who dislikes the light quality of most cans, this is something I've paid specific attention to and noticed :) For you, the two cans on either side of the range are what I'd replace based on this photo, can't speak to the rest of the room.





  • PRO
    25 days ago

    It is primarily the POSITION of the canless cans. It is the type of fixture secondarily.








  • 25 days ago

    Don't mess with the cabinets. Mess with the lighting. Remove the bulb from the light nearest the diagonal cabinet. Then turn the lights on and see what it looks like. You may have to get rid of a light there and reposition it elsewhere.


    Can you post a much wider view of your kitchen so we can see where all of the lights are placed?


    I had a color consultant who spoke of a job for a very particular client in a huge NYC apartment who wanted an even color paint throughout his entire home and didn't want to change any of the lighting. The color consultant was paid for the painstaking work of creating 24 different custom colors that resulted in a completely even looking color througout the home.

  • 24 days ago

    @kendrah it is the daylight coming in and the angle of the cabnients in that corner . At NIGHT all cabinets match . They are white . We tried every option I think with the can lights including what your recommended, but nothing has changed. It is way worse during the day 😞 and tan . Here is a pic at night

  • 24 days ago

    @kendrah it is the daylight coming in and the angle of the cabnients in that corner . At NIGHT all cabinets match . They are white . We tried every option I think with the can lights including what your recommended, but nothing has changed. It is way worse during the day 😞 and tan . Here is a pic at night

  • 23 days ago
    last modified: 23 days ago

    If you are going to change the cabinet layout then it appears the vent for the stove is not centered over the stove.

  • 23 days ago

    How often will you turn on all of those canned lights? Do you have task lighting underneath the cabinets? Any pendants or sconces in the kitchen?

    We have white cabinets with task lighting, canned lights , 2 pendants over the island, and a small table light that we use as a night light on the end of one counter. Everything is on a

    dimmer. I only use the overhead cans when I'm cleaning or when someone accidentally hits the wrong light switch.


  • PRO
    23 days ago

    The dot dot dot of can light placement yields the worst result. As it did here. And it's what needs changing.

  • 23 days ago
    last modified: 23 days ago

    Since the cabinets are all the same color it is an issue caused by the natural daylight that is coming through the windows.

    You stated that this was not a problem before you replaced the cabinets, but I wonder if that was because the cabinets that you replaced were not white?

    White is white because it reflects all light waves, so changes in lighting are more impactful when a surface is white compared to when a surface is wood or some other color.

    I don't think changing the corner cabinet will make a big difference. You need to figure out what is stopping the light from hitting the cabinet to the right of the range

    You can see that where the dishwasher is sitting that part of the cabinets is blocking the light from hitting just the lower cabinets across from it and creating the same yellow beige cast.

    We can't see what is blocking the light and stopping it from hitting the cabinets to the right of the range.


    We also see the the change is gradual and far less noticeable across from the dishwasher. It is just much more noticeable on the cabinets next to the stove because the color change from black to white on one side of the cabinet paired with the angle change on the other side. A regular corner cabinet will have the same issue, just moving the break in color to the corner.


    I would assume this is more obvious at certain times during the day and may change a bit from season to season.


  • 23 days ago

    Right now the only thing there is to look at in the kitchen is the cabinets. As you complete the kitchen and have the countertops and backsplash and the flooring done it may not be so noticeable. Most white kitchens have areas that are shadowed. The designer ones shown on the internet have professional lighting or have been photoshopped to some of the shadows.


    If it is still too noticeable you may need to force things to be more subtle by adding light filtering shades and blocking some of the light hitting the corner cabinet or adding a light that is directed toward that single cabinet and not the rest of the kitchen


    Pictures that show the windows would be helpful.

  • 22 days ago

    @Jennifer Hogan , thanks so much for your input !! This whole thing is very frustrating and knowing we can’t change daylight effecting things stinks . So you’re thinking even if we get rid of the 45 angle and change it back to a 90 degree L shape in the back corners , we will still have this issue?
    Our old Cabinets were actually white , but painted white ( old oak ) with some molding not a shaker style and didn’t run to the ceiling . We never noticed a change in color anywhere so that’s why it’s so confusing. The can lighting was already there previous to this project . There is natural light coming in the whole back side of house which is what the kitchen faces . I understand what you’re staying about the dishwasher reflecting that light on the bottom area . But how can we fix that ? Or can we . As far as the top shadowing I don’t know what is causing it

  • 21 days ago

    The older cabinets may have had a less glossy paint finish and were most likely not nearly as perfectly smooth as the new cabinets.


    The room below is color washed with one paint color on the walls, ceiling and trim. On the wall across from the window the sheens make the color of the trim and the color of the wall look different - the light is more diffused when it hits a more textured finish than when it hits a smoother surface. The fireplace wall, where the natural light is diffused doesn't show near as much contrast between the trim and the wall and the wall beside the window, where the slight texture in the matt finish deflects the light and the smooth surface doesn't have any way to defuse the light, the trim looks darker than the wall.




    The other thing that I want you to note is that although the trim looks like it is a different color in this one area, we accept that it is just lighting. With the furniture and finishes we are seeing the wood door first - rich and contrasting - grabs the eye.


    Once you have counters and backsplash and handles and a beautiful wood cutting board and a fruit bowl and other things going on you probably won't be nearly as focused on how the sunlight is being reflected.


    And no, I do not think it is the angled corner cabinet that is making the difference.

    I think the light will hit the one wall and not the other wall. I am not in your space and seeing where the light is coming in and what obstacles are causing the shadowing, but this is my assumption.





  • 16 days ago

    Thanks again for your input!!