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Should cooktop and Hood Range be centered with island or wall?

25 days ago

I’m remodeling my kitchen and stuck on one layout decision. I have a cooktop and hood on a back wall, but on one side of that wall is a fixed oven/pantry cabinet that can’t move.

Some people are telling me to center the cooktop and hood on the island, but that pushes them too close to the oven cabinet and makes that side feel cramped. My instinct is to center the cooktop and hood within the actual wall section between the corner cabinet and the oven cabinet, even if it doesn’t line up perfectly with the island.

Which approach is correct in this situation? ive attached a photo of whats currently there and what one designer did for me.



Comments (26)

  • 25 days ago
    last modified: 25 days ago

    I'm no pro but my first impression is there are too many narrow cabinets and left of cooktop base and below it should be 2 wide cabinets of deep drawers. Since there's no cabinet planned on left of sink, consider doing a straight run on that back wall which eliminates the upper corner angled cabinet on right of sink. I would go toward function first on the cooktop location as there's enough going on that being centered isn't a deal breaker.

    What is the view when standing at the cooktop looking out of the kitchen? And is that a hallway on the left of the fridge?

  • 25 days ago
    last modified: 25 days ago

    The cooktop is too close to the tall double oven cabinet to cook conveniently. Consider moving the oven cabinet to where the tall pantry cabinet is. Then extend the upper/lower cabinets and counter to the right of the cooktop (where the ovens were).

    +1 to the suggestion to replace the angled cabinet to the right of the sink with a straight run of upper cabinets.

  • PRO
    25 days ago
    last modified: 25 days ago

    Your "Designer" Is a cabinet seller! Not a Kitchen designer in any way.

    If you want a good plan and real help? Post the current condition of the kitchen. Every wall, every window, every opening. Where an opening leads......the exact size of every solid wall, and the window with casing

    You do a version of this: Graph paper is fine. Legible feet and exact inches NOTED.



    AS TO THIS below?

    NO.



    You are traipsing past an island with not enough clearance around it from FRIDGE to a sink a half mile away........start from that is a NO.: ) START OVER, PLEASE?-,don't throw a dime on this as above

  • 25 days ago

    I’m guessing the fridge is not in the image. But, even assuming you have proper aisle clearances - and to answer your question- no it doe not need to be centered on island. That skinny cabinet to the right of the hood is just awkward looking. Best to post the plan like previously asked.

  • 25 days ago

    Hey Everyone, thank you for the feedback. I knew I had a gut feeling that this was very off. I attached a couple more photos of my existing kitchen. I am replacing all the cabinets by the way so I could do some moving around. I like the overall layout so nothing too crazy but yes I agree that the cooktop is way too close to the oven area. Here is a layout from another “cabinet seller” lol keep in mind he was still touching up the design so ignore the minor mistakes. Also someone asked what was to the right of the cooktop. It’s an opening to the dining room

  • 25 days ago

    Also the awkward corner cabinet to the right of the window - also a no.

  • 25 days ago

    Here is one of the guys plans

  • 25 days ago

    What is below your kitchen? And have you planned for new flooring or is what we are seeing going to stay? If so, do you have more flooring for patching?

  • 25 days ago

    I’m keeping the flooring but I do have about 4 extra boxes so I can make it work

  • PRO
    25 days ago

    I'm gonna vote for centering the cooktop and hood on the island. I don't mind that the ovens and cooktop would be next to each other.

  • PRO
    25 days ago

    Function first always and moving thta closer to the wall ovens leaves little work space on the right side so IMO leaveit where it is .or in fact move it too the left to allow for nice wide storage drawers on both side s. BTW the "designer" needs to know now all lower cabinets should be drawers everywhere possible . Since this is rework of layout get a counter depth fridge and a sink in the island on the fridge side or move the fridge .

  • PRO
    25 days ago
    last modified: 25 days ago

    I

    I "mind" the whole thing! : ) LOSE that peninsula!

    I would not let four leftover boxes of flooring dictate a major reno of my kitchen,



    I vote for START OVER or delay until you can do it better

    Debate will ensue over Fridge locale, but i'd be inclined just to allow someone/helper to use far side of island as a prep, if you are at the cooker and big clean up sink,

    The oven with a micro above? The micro is NEAR fridge and water,,,,,

    and you just turn around for the less often oven set down space.

    In no case would I accept either of the other plans. ...

    All above is based on what can be seen on plan and in jpeg. What is other side of fridge wall?




    That was handy, below, But it sucks : )



  • 25 days ago
    last modified: 25 days ago

    I was ok at first with a more or less simple swap from old cabinets to new, until you turned the camera and showed all that other part of kitchen beyond the fridge! Do take Jan's and any future alternate plans under consideration. I absolutely agree that the peninsula ought to GO and quit squishing the dining table off to one end while wasting space on the other side of it. I would probably skip seating at the island and float the dining table in the middle of the new available space. A small cafe table and pair of armless upholstered chairs could go in the bay window.

    If you are not open to a more extensive re-do (but you really should optimize since you are replacing everything!!), then to answer your original question, yes the range should be centered on its wall, not on the island, and you should also put in more lower drawer banks and run the stove uppers straight into the sink wall (no angled cabinet) as seen in this photo.



  • 25 days ago

    Thank you all so much for the feedback, if I stick to the original layout for the most part I’m going to center it with the wall and not the island. I am open to possibly doing the center island and getting rid of the peninsula but my only concern is where I have the bump out to where the kitchen table and chairs go. Wouldn’t the island impede on this space? (Picture attached)

  • 25 days ago

    The 37" aisle space between the frig and island and 38" between the sink run and island are disasters. And the dimension are not counter edge to counter edge. But cabinet face to cabinet face. Which is incorrect. Plus the frig dimension is blatantly inaccurate unless you're installing a new SZ integrated unit. Which still won't give you enough clearance. Deleting the peninsula and turning the island may help. I'd create more counter workzone for cooking and prep by deleting the oven stack for an induction range. All wide base drawers. You need a task lighting plan.

  • 25 days ago

    Some of the measurements are off on the layouts.
    Island to sink cabinets = 40”
    Island to fridge cabinets = 43” (about 40” to fridge when I get cabinet depth fridge)
    Island to cooktop = 41”
    Island to peninsula = 41 1/2”
    Just measures it myself

  • PRO
    25 days ago

    How does this impeded on the dining?

    DID the peninsula impede?

    You can believe us or not. Clearances are too tight, Placement of appliances is awkward and inefficient. .....on both your plans.

    You are worried on the wrong thing......entirely.















  • 25 days ago

    I appreciate everything, I am not disagreeing. I see the measurements was increased to 48” so it would not impede on seating area. Quick question, I am assuming if I do this way I would have seating on the side of the island where the oven would be? Would it be tight between people sitting there and having to open the oven?

  • 25 days ago

    Your aisles seem narrow. The island may not be feasible.

    Are the measurements you posted below from cabinet-to-cabinet or from counter edge-to-counter edge/appliance handle? The counter overhang and appliance handles can further narrow the aisles widths. If you have two cooks in the kitchen, you are going to want wide aisles.


  • PRO
    25 days ago
    last modified: 25 days ago

    ^^^

    there will never be 100% perfection in this kitchen, as to clearance. But this is 100% improved over the original. The island the op is used to can NOT be as it was sized

    I put three stools to AVOID oven access problems. If it isn't needed for a meal? Someone can sit there

    You are not looking at the adjustments?

    I have no stool at the oven.......




  • PRO
    25 days ago

    Please consider what Jan is saying. It is what I was going to suggest as well.

    Also please do not do a diagonal corner next to a window! It just looks so unfinished and out of place.

    I would also suggest a kitchen designer, not someone who is just going to take what you suggest and put it in the floor plan. They should be showing you all options for your space so you can make the most educated decisions.

    Good luck

  • 24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    Riffing on Jan's plan, this is what I was trying to explain as an alternate option. Dining table might fit better the other direction as I'm not sure the distance to the living room zone. I think you could even leave the appliances where they currently are if you know you like that already. Worth imagining the other configurations - walk yourself through making a meal with these other layouts, and also think through your food flow, from bringing in and putting away groceries, to getting out things you need for some typical meals, traffic to and from dining area, and cleaning up afterwards.


    You could also cut the island entirely, and move the dining table up a few feet closer to the kitchen U. Eat in kitchens are so inviting! I think the flow of your home and kitchen would be vastly improved without that peninsula. It really makes for a pinch point and one way in/out. I like how Jan's appliance layout keeps the heavy use work triangle out of the right-hand traffic pathway. Great to cook in.



  • 24 days ago

    Here’s a better overall picture of my area. I might be wrong according to all of you but I don’t know. The island in the middle long ways just seems weird to me. Expanding the peninsula another 6” and fitting 4 chairs there for seating makes a lot more sense to me than doing an island with no seats or with seats and people having to squeeze by you. I don’t know I could be wrong but that’s what my guts telling me

  • 24 days ago

    If I do a 3ft island at 48” off the sink area that leaves me about 44” from island to where Jen recommends the oven goes or where my fridge is currently. So if seating is on that side that’s going to be tight is it not?

  • PRO
    24 days ago
    last modified: 24 days ago

    Youre focused on looks before real function, .

    on wanting what you see in other kitchens that arent your kitchen.:)

    If you love what you have , other than cabinet?

    Do you and don’t ask here as you’re going to hear from more than a couple pros amd skilled homeowners….. everything youd rather NOT hear.

    Its your home, your kitch , your money:)

  • 22 days ago

    To the best of your ability with the current layout just try blue taping the floor to get a sense of how the space would feel with the new suggested layout. It will be a dramatic improvement for the cook(s) and overall flow. I hope you have enough flooring to do the required patching.