Not here. This is a lovely rose.

Thank you, I was hesitant about the band I got last year, but will go ahead and plant this spring.

I never grew White Cap, but the flower is stunningly beautiful going by its photos on HMFR. The older blooms don't look bad at all there. They appear to hold up very presentably.

According to further reading about the Brownell family, who bred White Cap, their most popular rose is reported on HMFR, to be their climber, Elegance. The photos provided there of Elegance shows a rose whose exhibition state bloom is not as appealing as White Cap's same state bloom, IMHO. Also, Elegance at full open bloom looks sad, and after that stage, it seems to go downhill quite a bit.

This is all from my viewing photos of White Cap and Elegance....wish I had hands on information to share, sorry.

Moses.

IME, the only white roses that age gracefully are those that self-clean. White Cap isn't an exception to that. So I'm trying to figure out what the question really means.

BTW, I asked it to leave several years ago after it became obvious it had no intention of growing, or blooming, or doing anything else constructive in this climate. And it was a budded rose from Palatine too.

Yet it was bred for your climate, and you had it grafted on multiflora which was the customary means of propagating/growing roses at the time of its introduction in the middle of the last century. That's remarkable, Mad! How do you explain the dilemma? Were roses of that era fraught with faults?

Moses.

No, it just wasn't up to the challenge of zone 5.

Brownell bred for *his* climate, which was coastal Rhode Island. Since at the time, most roses were hardy through zone 7, roses that did well in 6b were an improvement. However, that didn't mean they could handle -15F. There is a reason I grow a lot of once bloomers.

I misspoke, it wasn't from Palatine, it was from Pickering, but the same truths apply.

Thanks for the continued thoughts on this rose and breeder. guess that is what I am wondering, is it Brownwellnroses

Yikes, no idea how to edit that.

Relax, no editing necessary. There aren't any college English professors at large on the Roses Forum, to my knowledge anyway. Gella, where do you garden, zone wise and general climate type? It helps responders on the RF to give better help.

Moses.

Gella, if you want to edit a post of yours, look in the lower right corner of your post. There is an edit and a delete icon. Just click on edit, and your post will come up and allow you to edit it. Then hit submit. It's really easy.

Hi all. I am using the app but may try the desktop and see if thats where I can edit.

Moses, I am in 7a northeast, sometimes humid but not terrible.

Gella,

7a is a zone warmer than me, and since like me, you are probably prone to have hot and humid summers, you most likely have heavy black spot pressure, no? Without spraying regularly, I cannot successfully grow and enjoy many of the older roses, like your Brownell climbers. This has caused me to replace the majority of my roses with proven black spot resistant newer varieties.

Moses.

White Cap wasn't bad in respect to blackspot. That wasn't why it was asked to leave.

Interesting Moses and Mad gallica. Maybe this is a rose better for a different region.

Stephen Scanniello had White Cap at the Brooklyn Botanical Garden and included recommending the rose in one of his books.

I had to look up Stephen Scanniello, this is good to know.