There are alternate lights at better pricing.

@BeverlyFLADeziner Thank you. The first one you sent through is nice but I am specifically looking at the styles above. Appreciate the links and comparison shopping.

Imagine how annoyed you'd be when you have to throw out and replace an entire fixture because the built-in LEDs have reached the end of their life.

The LED lifetime depends on a lot of things besides how long they are on every day, for example, quality of manufacturing is highly variable, small fluctuations in your electric current, temperature, and so on.

@apple_pie_order These are extremely high-end, hand-crafted fixtures with the built-in LED intended to last 15-20+ years. They sell a replacement LED engine so you don't need to throw out the entire fixture.

THanks for additional info- these sound more sustainable.

@apple_pie_order Yes, the sustainability is part of it as well. They are handmade in NYC, versus the Visual Comfort which are more mass-produced in China (even though Visual Comfort is reputable and quite wonderful). I like the idea of supporting a small business and handmade artisanship, so while they are more expensive, there are other intangible (and practical) upsides.

Looking over your other choices (range, fridge, etc), I’m not sure why you are hesitating over the cost of the UA light fixtures. Get your preferred choice, UA is a quality product.

So you have 8’ ceilings with beams that bi vote 3.5” high option due to your ceiling height

Sorry for the typos - 🤗

@thinkdesignlive Sorry, just confirming -- are you recommending the shallowest light (3 1/4" deep"? That's where we lean with our 8' ceilings with beams. Thank you!

If anyone has insights/experience on built-in LED-engine lights like these, versus bulb-based fixtures, would love to hear your thoughts, any regrets, etc. Thank you!

Not sure how far along you are, but I noticed you placed your SZ fridge further away than the freezer. Do you know when paired, they don't have to open from the "center" ?

When I remodeled my previous house I had a similar issue and I preferred the fridge closer to the work area and I wanted it opening for the way we would be approaching, from the right side of the kitchen, so both of mine are hinged on the left, with 24" freezer on left and 36" fridge on right. This way the fridge is closer and the door swing isn't in the way when opened and approached from the main work area in the kitchen.

In the showrooms they always have them opening from the center, so I don't think most people know that they have this option and can maximize the layout/usage.

@chispa Great callout. We still have time to change layout so those are really good points. We might need to place freezer closer to work area for symmetry with another 24" wide cabinet on the other side of the fridge.

This is the work-in-progress (annotated) elevation.

In this case, I wonder if they should both open at "center".

That's such a helpful insight. Ensuring there is enough light is critical for the kitchen (which is a darker space without a lot of natural light).

Yes - I was saying I prefer the 3.5” height

I just did an electrical walk through on our new build. The electrician warned me to make sure that the access point for replacing the engine in LED fixtures is large enough that someone can actually get in and replace it. In our current house, I have found that our LED landscape lights have needed to be replaced at least once, if not twice for some of the fixtures over the last decade- not lasting as they were advertised to.

Thanks for the info -- really helpful to hear from those with experience with built-in LED engines. I

I am a lover of nearly hospital lighting in kitchens so those would not come close to the right amount of light for me . Plus IMO they look odd in a kitchen so much like those yucky center lights in bedrooms years ago