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UK weed on a derelict island - is it bracken fern?


In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RN6_SlZ50s

It appears the entire island is covered in some kind of dormant ground covering plant, if you slow the speed down at certain points, you can see what look like dried fronds.

Floral et al,

is it normal in the UK for bracken ferns (if that is what it is) to be able to cover an area in full sun, so extensively?

Not what I'm asking about, but there's a Eucalyptus tree there, too.


Comments (13)

  • 22 days ago

    I remembered floral doesn't 'do' video.

    Here's a screenshot. Quite obviously a fern.



    Are there any other ferns in the UK, vigorous enough to take over an area in full sun like this?


  • 22 days ago
    last modified: 22 days ago

    Bracken. No question. Very common. It's a native species growing in an appropriate habitat, so not a 'weed'.

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 22 days ago

    Thanks! I didn't realize they could grow to that extent, in 'full' sun. (snicker snicker...) I did know it was native, but I tend to use the term 'invasive weed' for that kind of weed. Poison ivy would certainly seem a weed to you if you had to deal with it, living here!



  • 22 days ago

    Fair enough.

    I use this definition

    "a wild plant growing where it is not wanted and in competition with cultivated plants"

    Presumably, that island was once grazed, and therefore grasses would have been desirable, not bracken.

    I'm just amazed it can outcompete the grasses so well, but, of course, it's a different climate than I'm used to!

    On the west coast of NZ, even wetter and milder, tree ferns grow in 'full sun'.


    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4307028/au-nz-travelogue-conclusion

  • 22 days ago

    If you Google Ynys Giffta you'll find lots of pictures showing the extent of the bracken on the island. Unless cut back, cultivated or grazed bracken will easily take over grassland. It grows best in full light, not shade. Near on mind that even. 'full sun' will not be constant sun, not very dry and not that hot in Wales.

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 21 days ago
    last modified: 21 days ago

    I really hope to see Portmeirion one of these days. Maybe by then the fate of the island will be clear.

    I wonder if it will be eventually be purchased by a land preservation trust of some kind. It would take someone with a lot of dough to redevelop it into a residential property! I'm reminded of that UK documentary about that guy on the south coast who sunk millions into his dream house, a proverbial 'tower overlooking the sea' and never finished it.

  • 21 days ago

    Just an aside but the PNW has its own species of bracken fern, Pteridium aquilinum, that looks and behaves virtually identical to the UK version. I often pass cleared or logged areas nearby that are totally covered by this plant.

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 21 days ago
    last modified: 21 days ago

    Seems to be a widespread problem...There is also an Australian bracken fern species, Pteridium esculentum (Austral Bracken).

    AUSTRAL BRACKEN

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked shaxhome (Frog Rock, Australia 9b)
  • 20 days ago

    Pteridium aquilinum is the species we have here. That's what is growing on the Welsh island. I wouldn't call it 'derelict'. It's merely reverting to its natural state. Btw the range in the house is identical to the one in my kitchen.


    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 20 days ago

    "Btw the range in the house is identical to the one in my kitchen."


    Of course it is!

    In our climate (PNW notwithstanding, GG) the notion of an Aga, which is a constantly running oven in case some Americans don't know, is insane. But it makes sense 'across the pond'.

  • 20 days ago
    last modified: 20 days ago

    It's not exactly a constantly running oven. Ours has two sets of burners. One is for the oven and the other runs the central heating and hot water. The central heating and water are on timers and thermostats like any other system. They do not burn constantly, even in winter. The oven is run when required which is seldom as we also have a separate stove and hob.

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 20 days ago

    Thanks for clarifying. When they came onto Americans' radars, maybe 15 years ago, there was talk back then that the traditional 'burn all the time' approach might be updated with changing attitudes towards fuel consumption. But I'd supposed many of them in the UK still operate that way.