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Kitchen Layout Help: 16ft Wall & Open Concept (Dark Green Shaker).

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I'm looking for a layout reality check on these Home Depot renders. We’re doing a medium/dark green Shaker style (KraftMaid or Thomasville). The dining room is a separate space to the left with a 7ft table centered to its own window. The island is its own custom antique piece, not part of the cabinet order.

The Space: Window wall is 16ft, but I can stretch to 16.5ft if it makes the cabinet math actually work.

The Non-Negotiables (mostly):

No Trash Pull-outs: My husband is convinced they’ll smell after a few years. I’m fine with skipping it.

No Spice Racks: My friend has one and you can’t see the labels; I hate them.

The 12” Cookie Sheet Base: I need one 12" base for sheets/trays. I want a standard door with a top drawer, not a full-height door.

Where I need your eyes (and your opinions):

Kill the Skinny Cabs: I want to avoid as many 12", 15", and 18" cabinets as humanly possible (except for my one cookie sheet base). I’d much rather have fewer, wider cabinets even if it means shifting things. Help me consolidate these.

The Drawer Debate: I originally thought 2-drawer bases for pots and pans, but after seeing my son’s 3-drawer setup, I think I like that better. For those with heavy cast iron or large stockpots, are 3-drawer bases a mistake or is the organization worth it?

Sink Centering: Based on the window wall (IMG_5587), does the sink actually look centered to you? I’m paranoid about it looking "off" once it’s installed.

Dishwasher & Range: DW to the left or right of the sink? Also, the range can move anywhere on its wall—how would you space the cabinets around it to get bigger drawer bases?

The Corner: Using a lazy susan (SLSW36L) in the corner. Is there a better way to handle that transition while still maximizing the adjacent drawer widths?

I’m also thinking about doing a slab top drawer on all the drawer bases instead of a full shaker. Thoughts?

Feel free to weigh in on the trash/spice rack stuff if you have a strong take, but my main focus is fixing this cabinet layout so I don't end up with a bunch of useless 15" boxes. Thanks.

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    Here are some more photos

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    Love that you are using an vintage island. So nice to have a non-cookie cutter kitchen. And the green seems beautiful.


    Sink does not look "off".


    Doesn't matter if a dishwasher is on right of left in general. What determines left or right is whether the position will allow for larger drawers on one side of the other.


    Yes, flat panels on upper drawers. Shaker rails shrunk down to small upper drawer size is a very busy look.


    I hate pull out spice racks. You do you with no pull out trash. Whatever works.


    Most people on here hate a lazy Susan. I happen to adore them *IF* it is the kind where the doors are a fixed right angle and you push the door in for the suzy to move around. If the doors are bi-fold, I wouldn't do it. In this instance I might also sacrifice a lazy susan if it means you can get wider drawers in on the sides.


    You have too many 18" drawers. I'd have @Diana Bier Interiors, LLC Debbie Washburn, JAN MOYER weight in on layout to maximize your drawer width. I'd also get another set of drawers that are 2 high instead of 3 high.


    I'd do everything possible within your budget to get the cabinet to run to the ceiling.


    Will your vent duct outside? If not, do you need to move range to an exterior wall?





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    re: this: "For those with heavy cast iron or large stockpots, are 3-drawer bases a mistake or is the organization worth it?" I would recommend measuring your largest pots and pans and see what space they need. If you store with the lid, you need to measure it that way.

    I measured my largest stockpot and stored it in a large lower drawer, with the lid stored behind it using a pegboard system.


    Also consider the finish on your skillets and whether you are OK stacking them. My most-used skillets are Caraway and I didn't want to stack them (non-stick surface.) I liked the look of a two drawer stack, so my upper drawers have a separate pullout as pictured below (only partly open) so it stores things like a 3 drawer stack. Not everyone likes this because it's two motions to open the top part, but it works for me. I didn't want to stack my skillets and the large one was too wide to store on its side so I store it flat.


    I think doing an inventory of your items, especially your most-used items, and determining how you can best access them while cooking will help you figure out your drawer configuration. Keep in mind that function is better than symmetry, so you might have a 3 drawer stack on one side of your cooktop and a two drawer on the other, depending on the size of the items you need to store.

    Rev-a-shelf has all kinds of storage organizers, and I found even the inexpensive ones from IKEA to be helpful. I like storing bakeware etc. on its side so I don't have to dig; I used IKEA accordion lid organizers and pegboards for the two deep drawers below.




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    re: trash pullouts - I've had them for years and they don't smell - or I should say they don't smell any more than a separate trash receptacle would. (When I have something like fish skins, chicken bones, or fresh garlic, I take that trash directly to my trash can outside. But I would do that with a separate trash receptable, too.)

    If you insist on a separate receptacle, just make sure it's within easy reach of your prep and clean up areas.

    re: corners: have you considered corner drawers? At least one poster here has them (cpartist's beautiful kitchen comes to mind, but I can't find a picture right now.) I've never had them, so can't speak to the functionality. Here's a thread about them (there are others.)

    Plus one to the comments about cabinets + trim to the ceiling, if you can.

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    Without a pullout, where would you put a trash can? I don't see a place for it in your layout. I've used a trash pullout for 14 years, and before that the trash was under the sink. Never a problem with a stinky cabinet, as long as we took out stinky trash right away.


    There are SO many ways to handle a corner! But chispa is right - no angled upper. My last kitchen was U-shaped, so I had 2 corners to deal with. We used Easy-reach upper cabinets, which we loved. One corner had a super susan that held small appliances and colanders (it was near the sink). I struggled mightily with the other corner, between the sink and the range. The answer revealed itself when I developed a storage plan, and realized I did not have a place to put dish towels, bags and wraps, or cooking utensils. I ended up blinding off the corner, with drawers on each side, and it was the perfect solution for that kitchen.


    My current kitchen is an L+island, like yours, but the sink is on the island. The super susan in the corner holds canisters of sugar, flour, rice, pasta, etc. It was the best use of spce for this kitchen. Whether your kitchen would be best served with a super susan, corner drawers, a blind corner cabinet, or a dead corner depends entirely on what YOU need to store there.


    I've done two kitchen remodels, with the same custom cabinet maker (I got to go to the shop to visit my cabinets during construction!) Each time, I specified the height of the bottom drawers. I like to store cake and pie pans on their sides, and a drawer has to be deep enough to accommodate that. Because I had limited space for drawer stacks, I went with 3 or 4 drawers - I don't like a lot of stuff on the counters, so I needed top drawers for a knife block, cooking utensils, and potholders, as well as flatware. The middle drawers were not as tall as the bottom, but I had lots of things (like frying pans and casserole dishes) that fit those perfectly.


    I'm not crazy about your fridge/range wall - it feels really crowded. And it is a lot more convenient to have the fridge closer to both the sink and the dining room. On the window wall, I would put fridge (with a surround, and ideally a counter-depth fridge), DW, then sink. The sink can move closer to the corner, thereby closer to the range. This gives you nice wide drawers on each side of the range.


    My first kitchen remodel included a tray cabinet. Mine was only 9" wide, next to the sink, so it worked for cookie sheets and cutting boards. The second time around, I didn't want to take precious cabinet space for cookie sheets, so I asked for a toe-kick drawer. That has worked great for us. In your case, with the pantry so close, I might be tempted to just keep cookie sheets in the pantry, and give that space back to wider drawers.

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    There's a lot I don't love for a new build.......

    In the kitchen, I'd want a counter depth fridge far left of my sink.

    You are a long path from dining to fridge should someone want more of something.......?

    It does matter where the dishwasher is, as you don;t want it between an open oven door and the sink!, so left of the sink is better in this case

    Trash pullout stink: WRONG! Hubby is dead wrong, and smelly trash goes out. Rinsed recycle doesn't stink, Food stuff that can go down a garbage disposal goes that way. Bones, meat scraps, fish.......OUT. There is no excuse for any of it to stink, and a free standing can needs to be treated the same way, so his argument is invalid. 100%

    Other....What is the purpose of the over sized den vs the size of primary bedroom? Is the primary for perhaps parents and you are on the second floor?

    Why is the exit to deck from great room, and not closer to kitchen where the window is? Why even a swing door , when a slider would be less invasive and you have 12'?

    What is in the 7'3" x 12' 2" pantry? Do you want to walk around from kitchen?

    We don't have the full context. How many living here, etc. But there is a lot I would re think. Undersized primary bath....oversized den..and more.

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    Be sure to have the cabinets build to field measurements and not by dimensions from drawings. The house floor plan provided shows the cabinet run to be 15'-9 1/2", not 16'. The dimension on the house floor plan drawing goes to the centerline of the wall between the kitchen and the pantry. In this case it impacts the wall cabinets and centerline of the sink as they relate to the window.

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    @chicagoans, I'd like to replace my current lid organizer with the accordion style you showed. Do you ever have a problem with the accordion collapsing or does it stay in place well when you open it up?

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    Katinparadise: the accordion organizers have never collapsed on me. I keep them expanded from the front to the back of the drawer so they can’t expand wider, and they have never scrunched up either.
    I have one in another (upper) cabinet for cookbooks and it works fine for that as well.

    They’re only $8 so it’s worth trying to see if it works for you.

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    Thanks so much. The one I have currently has a bump at the bottom that makes it just a little too tall for a few of my casserole dishes. Hopefully this will solve the problem. Not trying to hijack your thread @Home!

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    Regarding drawers I personally find it a huge distraction when I see a kitchen with slab drawers on top but shaker on the bottom and middle drawers. It feels unfinished to me. If drawers are sized right shaker on all drawers looks best.

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    With a push into pantry


    As I said earlier, a lot I don't understand with regards to the entire plan.....but the love affair with huge pantry space , often sacrifices a kitchen more efficient. The pantry as a walk around makes a bit less sense to me as well. Not to mention a fridge located a mile from dining







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    WHY would your DH think a trash pull out will smell??? I've never heard that one before. Never heard anyone make that complaint about the one they have. People have their ideocracies and this one's a pain given the garbage sitting out in the open where kids/pets can get at them. I always know when there is an open garbage can sitting in a room THEY SMELL.

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    For the love of heaven........ !!!!What smells? Poor housekeeping habits, period full stop.

    What looks awful is exactly same : )

    If you can not take your stinky whatever it is out to the exterior daily? Do not think it will be lost on ANYONE,

    Lazy? Waste freezer space, bag the meat scraps etc and FREEZE until trash day. You have to be really lazy to do this, but it beats stinking up the entire house.

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    Quick question @chicagoans what peg system are you using?

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    Wsea: it’s from IKEA, called UPPDATERA I got a several to connect together since they’re only 24” wide.
    Link:

    https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/uppdatera-pegboard-drawer-organizer-anthracite-50502985/

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    Love the dark green Shaker direction — that color paired with the right lighting can be absolutely stunning. Since you're doing a full kitchen redesign, here are a few lighting thoughts worth considering before your cabinet order is finalized, because the layout decisions you're making right now will directly affect where fixtures can go.

    On your 16ft window wall: With a run that long and dark cabinetry, under-cabinet lighting isn't optional — it's essential. Dark green absorbs light, so your countertops will feel dim without it. Make sure your uppers have a consistent reveal at the bottom (at least 1.5") so LED strip lights sit cleanly and aren't visible from seated height.

    On the range wall: Wherever the range lands, plan your hood or microwave height carefully. If you go with a statement range hood, the cabinet flanking it on either side is a perfect place for taller uppers — and that actually helps your "kill the skinny cabs" goal naturally, since wider flanking cabinets frame the hood better visually.

    On the open concept transition: Since the dining room is to the left with its own window and a 7ft table, I'd think about a pendant or chandelier centered to that table completely independently of your kitchen lighting zone. The two spaces will feel more intentional if their lighting anchors are clearly separate rather than trying to do double duty.

    On the corner: Whichever corner solution you choose, a recessed light directly above that corner base will help whoever's digging through a lazy susan actually see what's in there.

    If you share your ceiling height and whether you have an island or peninsula planned, happy to suggest specific fixture types that would complement the green Shaker aesthetic without competing with it.

    — Vakkerlight Team

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    Thank you @chicagoans, i would have never thought to look at ikea

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    OP please consider this question from Jan Moyer: “Why is the exit to deck from great room, and not closer to kitchen where the window is? Why even a swing door , when a slider would be less invasive and you have 12'?”

    Think about carrying food to/from a grill, or beverages and snacks when entertaining on the deck. Also consider furniture placement and how a swing door affects that.

    I’d encourage you to consider all paths through the house: bedrooms to laundry, groceries from garage to kitchen, coming in from yard work or relaxing on the deck and going to the restroom, etc. Maybe they all work for you, but if not, now is the time to make changes.

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    ^^^

    Please consider a lot of things : )

    Sorry, I don not time to make this exacting, however... see the push into pantry,, reduced but adequate width, avoid the walk around, and while you seem very concerned as to pegs, pots etc?

    I am not sure you have the best access convenience to everything.





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    Food for thought.


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    ^^^


    I like that too!! From @ Mark. I think the point here, is if you look at your elevation......way up there?

    and down here?

    Does this make you really excited?! It doesn't send my boat a float, quite honestly. I think that huge walk in may be "killing" the kitchen and even the convenience within it




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    In my sketch, the "pantry" are full height 24" deep cabinets that are loaded from the entry side and emptied from the kitchen side; in case anyone did not notice.

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    Riffing off Jan and Mark - what about Jan’s overall layout but capture the area in red for mudroom - pass through for groceries or a plop spot for mudroom