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Refrigerating meat — pork, chicken

last month
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I know what I do with grocery items, but DH 🧠 has other thoughts.

He bought groceries and brought them home. He often takes a large Coleman cooler packed with bags of ice to keep milk and meat cold. Good idea.

However, he can get lazy (IMO) and leaves the meat and milk in the cooler with ice in our garage under. Sometimes for a day, but this last trip for two or three days. He argues that the cooler is cold enough. I do not believe that it is. It bugs the heck out of me that he cannot m age to put it in the cellar (unheated) refrigerator. In the past, when his brain was working better, he would refrigerate it, and by the next day have it repackaged into portions, labelled with the name and date of purchase, and put into the chest freezer.

He is increasingly unmotivated. Lazy. or whatever. Today I put one pork roast into the chest freezer, then portioned out, re-wrapped and labeled and put the remaining pork into the frezzer. The meat was okay, not spoiled, I cooked and ate some and lived. But I do NOT like having it hang around in the fridge for three days. The 2 pounds of chicken thighs hve to be repackaged into smaller portions, wrapped, labeled and put in the freezer.

I strongly believe in my approach, but he feels it’s not a big deal. I think his 🧠 ain’t like it used to be.

What do folks here think? Am I being too exacting? I think that even if a Coleman cooler has bags of ice in it, it still is not optimally or sufficiently cold for meat for more than a few hours. Certainly not for two days.

Comments (10)

  • last month

    If the ice is still frozen, the food is cold enough. If this were me and I didn't want to take on all that dividing and prep at once, but was worried about keeping it cold, I would just freeze some of the pieces whole, thaw and cook when needed and then portion and freeze the cooked meat.

    Maybe when he returns from shopping, you could suggest both of you working together to prep it all for freezing.

    petalique thanked Olychick
  • last month

    Thanks. Yes, we have to work together to put the stuff away. We are getting old and he cannot seem to get going until late in the day or early evening. Too darn late.


    We talked, for the few seconds I could get his (increasingly ADHD-like attention. He greed to put the meat difectly into the fridge. At 7 to 8 pm, I am too tired to fool around re-packaging food for the freezer.


    He is growing obdurate. He will not work with me to MOVE and this house is large and requires a lot of work. He is very very reluctant to help pick up and clean and maintain. Even calling painters or roof gutter people.He says he’s going to, but week after week, month after month, he does nothing.


    He will not sit down and go through finances with me. Pig headed, numb, stubborn, foolish, controlling? It’ making me bonkers. More than a few arguments. He says, ”Right!”

    But does nothing. ”Right” seems to mean, ” go away.”


    I have to cope with substntial pain and fatigue and isolation. Grrrrr. Well at least the ptomaine risk seems to be in check for now. His new PCP see s useless, so I need to somehow find him a geriatrics doc. Toss a dart at the yellow pages?

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    Food safety isn't a matter of opinions or feeling fine because there's ice in a chest. The USDA says that meat needs to be kept below 40°F. Fish and poultry used or cooked within 2 days, other meats within 3-5. There may be some wiggle room of a day or two on day recommendations but not on the safe temperature.

    Petalique, it sounds from the various incidents and conduct of his you've shared that your husband may be experiencing cognitive decline or even the onset of some form of dementia. Or depression? I'm not an expert by any means, I know neither of you, but the things going on suggests problems are brewing that may only get worse.

    Do you have family or friends nearby who could help you?

    I wish you well.


    Edit to correct- s/b Frozen or cooked

    petalique thanked Elmer J Fudd
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    Ask around. This sounds like a primary issue of mental decline. That can include covering with difficult emotional displays and denial. You need help. If you don't have family or friends you can lean on, try service organizations. Ask people you know for a good gerontologist, or look for local doctors online. Sometimes there are reviews, or recommendations from the local community. It's possible that there's a medical intervention that can help. It's also possible that there are structural deficits that can't be reversed but which can be identified and coped with. Coolers nowadays are pretty good if left in a not-hot place and unopened. What's more concerning is the change in behavior.

    If you think moving is a good idea, you can try chipping away at the downsizing,. 10-20 minutes a day can do great things. But if he's covering for a serious cognitive problem, moving to an unfamiliar place could be traumatic. If your lifestyle will fit in a more convenient place (no stairs, close to medical and family care, etc.), and he's happy to move but not do the work, you can hire movers who will pack and unpack for you, and also make boxes for storage of stuff you don't want to deal with. Sometimes just moving stuff is easier, and tackling the boxes one by one is easier than doing the whole house at once.

    Good luck with everything.

    petalique thanked plllog
  • last month

    In the past, when his brain was working better...


    This may be something that needs to be mentioned to his doctor or just ask the PCP for several names of geriatric specialists. Many of the behaviors you mention like laziness, being obdurate,etc. could related to his "brain [not] working better." Getting a good doctor could be a great help to you as well. It is so difficult and exhausting to live in the situation in which you find yourself and you deserve finding someone who could help.

    petalique thanked cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)
  • last month

    I had similar thoughts to plllog’s and cyn427’s. I think that, besides being potentially dangerous at worst and wasteful at best food management, this is evidence of something more serious going on with your DH.

    petalique thanked colleenoz
  • last month

    I am not sure what the OP truly wants addressed, food safety or her spouses cognitive decline? Best practice would have all refrigerated food put in a proper refrigerator ASAP. Length of time out of the proper cooling environment directly effects how long the product will be good to eat. Safe to eat cannot be judged in a blanket manner. The USDA has to give guidance that keeps even the most stupid among us safe. Working a hot dog stand, once upon a time, I had a butcher tell us as long as the hot dogs packages felt cool when put up to our cheeks they were safe to cook and eat. (The conversation was prompted by hot dog packages left in coolers overnight, no ice in sight when we came upon the situation). I'll leave that there.

    As to the spouses cognitive decline. Here is not where to seek advice. Offspring, neighbors, friends who interact with him is who should be consulted. Are they seeing what you are, how far has the decline progressed? Unfortunately, it's one thing to see a person's decline it's another when said decline endangers others. Follow your gut. Seek help now.

    petalique thanked arcy_gw
  • last month

    Agreeing about addressing this behavior issue as a medical concern ASAP.

    And FWIW, listeria can grow even under refrigeration, so there's that...

  • last month

    Both the Alzheimer's Association Helpline at 1-800-272-3900 and NAMI HelpLine at 1-800-950-NAMI (6264) can help you navigate this sensitive situation .