My main objection Is naming these roses as a series. I always say I will remember them but by the time I get home to research them on HMF I forgotten which 1 I was trying to look up. The only 1 I can ever remember is true love, because that should obviously be a red rose. There is 1 that is a deep ready purple. I've considered it but can never remember which 1 it is.

@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley that would be True Spirit. For me it has been healthy, but a stingy bloomer.

Remember just the last word in the name, vaporvac.

And look at the photos of his roses at the Altman site.

My invoice to follow.

Moses after this post I may have to look into these more

Daniela,

Go to YouTube, and watch the Overdevest Nursery promos led by David Wilson. I see no false advertising at all there. Refreshing!

Then Altman Nursery has a good True Bloom series presentation at their web page. Lots of good information there.

HMFR doesn't have much info other than on: True Passion, True Inspiration, True Sincerity, and True Love. What's there at HMFR is still helpful.

Moses.

BTW. So far, the black spot we dread is absent from all the True Bloom varieties I grow, some in their 3rd. year. Other Lim roses I grew were not so B.S. free. Sweet Fragrance was fantastic for flower output, first to bloom in spring, and last to bloom in fall, but they, had multiples, black spotted here.

@rifis, do that,. What I mean is that there is no instant association between the name And the rose visual. There is 1That references scent so I can remember that 1. For instance the rose to Ching is clearly a yellow rose. Earth angel is off white Buff beauty is self-explanatory. But this series of Has no relation to What the rose actually looks like in my opinion.

BTW, I grow Dreamland 1 of his earlier creations which is a great single rose here.

His earlier rose Yellow Submarine is the best yellow I’ve ever grown.

Markay.

How's Yellow Submarines black spot resistance?

Moses.

I visit local rose park frequently and Yellow Submarine is the best looking & always blooming compared to other yellows, bush beauty and health is WAY BETTER than Julia Child and Austin Charlotte. The comments in HMF also praise Yellow Submarine.

Yellow Submarine is very healthy in my garden and at the Kathrine Dulin Folger Rose Garden in DC where I first fell in love with it. I ordered mine as s bareroot rose from White Flower Farm because that was the only place I could find it. It has been in my garden since 2021 and it just keeps getting better.

Wow and Double Wow!

Moses.

I saw 'True Sincerity' this spring and it was a beautiful plant with extraordinary blooms.

@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley, I was thinking about your comment while I was iutnin the garden thin morning. This is True Serenity, but their is absolutely nothing serene about the color!

Exactly what I'm talking about! LOL! That 1 looks like it should be called Hot Pants or should I say True Hot Pants!

Wait a minute… Markay, either you or I have the wrong True Sincerety, I believe. Here’s mine.

My bad. Markay, I see that your rose is Serenity and mine is Sincerety! Those two names are just a bit too close and I wasn’t observant enough.

Anybody can make that mistake, Judi. Vapor commented on Lim's name choices being easily confusing.

BTW, your True Sincerity, which I have one of also....much beloved......is a spectacular specimen. You grow amazing roses, a special gift. They're inspirational!

Mine is in its third year and really coming into its own. No black spot, extreme vigor, lovely and ruggedly durable blooms, excellent winter hardiness, all describe my True Sincerity. It's only down side are its thorns.

I did not think I would like the blooms' color change to a pale pink with a smidge of medium pink edging the petals. I know that cosmos and tuberous begonia blooms so colored are called picotee edged. I don't recall seeing roses so colored labeled with the term. Now, I really like the color change. It's like having another bush, 2 in 1.

I believe our Markay removed her True Sincerity because of a bloom issue. I could be wrong.

I am expecting a True Serenity any day now. It is to be a replacement for one of my 4 Apricot Candys that have to go.....black spotting like there's no tomorrow, which was checked every year, until last year's last fungicide application routine. I have opted out of spraying this year, had to bite the bullet.....no more black spotters....I'm done with them.

Thanks for posting your photo of True Sincerity.

Moses.

I think the picote edging refers to the scallops or pinking.

Thanks for the clarification, Vapor, much appreciated.

Moses.

Moses, you remember correctly. True Sincerity was a great rose for me until it wasn’t.

True Serenity just keeps pumping out blooms!

Where did you find these roses? Thanks

summersrhythm,

I got mine online from Amazon, Home Depot, and strangely, from Wal-Mart. The best time to order is not too early or dormant bushes are sent. This is OK, as long as they are truly dormant and not dead!

I suggest ordering in this window of opportunity: between mid-April to early June. The best, healthiest, least stressed roses came during this period. As the heat of summer increases through fall, the roses sent are dicey. They're often terribly stressed looking when unboxed, often continuing downhill until they die, even with the best of care.

I find Amazon the best source, although Home Depot has the greatest variety. Wal-Mart wins with the lowest prices and quickest delivery. Orders often received 3 days after being placed.

Amazon is the best when problems arise. Problems being: bad condition, damaged shipment, wrong rose variety/color, etc., Contact their customer service and explain your problem and refunds are made without having to return the rose. With Home Depot and Wal-Mart, a return to a local establishment is necessary before a refund is made.

So, my advice is to only order in spring, and from Amazon first, then try the others.

Another thing, summersrhythm, concerning being given a choice between: 1 gallon, 2 gallon, 3 gallon size roses, go with the 1 gallon size. Plant two roses of the same variety right next to each other. One is a gallon size, and the other is 2 or 3 gallon size. In two years, the one gallon size will be larger than the other, bigger (at planting time), rose.

Finally, you save quite a bit with Amazon if you are enrolled in Amazon Prime. Free shipping is a great deal. Now with Home Depot, shipping is free, even for just one rose bush. With Wal-Mart, shipping is free after the order totals $35.00.

Since I no longer drive and must get my roses/supplies delivered, I learned how to navigate the, "Treacherous Online Purchasing Seas."

Happy sailing, summersrhythm!

Moses.

judijunebugarizonazn8 , your True Sincerety looks awesome ! :-) Looks alot better in your yard then it did in mine! :-) Mine failed here....

And Markay, your True Serenity looks great! :-)

Moses, I'm going get True Passion next year & give it a try... :-)

@jim1961 Central Pennsylvania Zone 6a, I am hoping it continues like this. It has the added perk of being very fragrant too!

Nice Markay! :-)

Jim,

I watered my roses last evening. My new True Serenity is looking good. It came with no buds or blooms, and was just planted less than a week ago. True Serenity may not bloom this season even if it sets buds....not enough time (45+ days= mid-October), for them if made, to bloom.

True Serenity replaced one of my 4 Apricot Candy bushes. That was painful to do, taking the 4 of them out at once, but their black spotting was a serious liability. In a place where black spotting is not a problem, Apricot Candy is a must have rose.

Don't ask me about Orange Dude/Double Easy Orange.....the news isn't good.......

I wish you continued success with your Orange Dude.

Moses.

Thanks! Sorry about DEO Moses... And your Apricot Candy Bushes.... Been there....We have to do whats needs to be done to keep our yards looking good and save us on extra work... Always enjoy the roses! :-)

Amen, we do it to enjoy the roses. They have to generate pleasure, or else grow something else.

Moses.

Please keep me updated on True Serenity Rose Markay & Moses...Thank you

Interested in that one...

Moses, I’m planning to take out my Apricot candy this fall. I’m considering Sweet Mademoiselle as a replacement. Curious what you are thinking of replacing yours with.

@Markay - Look, I'm in a different climate than you but here Sweet Mademoiselle is in my very short list of best roses. Nothing tops it.

I highly recommend it.

Markay,

I have three Dee-Lish bushes which I like very much. Of all my tall HTs, it is the best all around to date: quite good disease resistance to black spot, the most winter hardy, quick repeat, longest lasting blooms, and most fragrant. Dee-Lish beats out my: Princess Charlene de Monaco (lanky to a fault), Quick Silver (not succeeding making a tall bush out of it....continues to grow long octopus arms, even at dead head cuts), and Moonlight Romantica (stingy, small, blah blooms), the two new tall HT candidates: Madame Anisette and True Gratitude, look very promising.

Why I started with Dee-Lish in responding to your inquiry about Sweet Mademoiselle is that they both have the Austin rose Graham Thomas in their pedigree. Their commonality may mean that Sweet Mademoiselle is as strongly black spot resistant as Dee-Lish is, but she has not received an ADR. This may be because she failed the ADR trial, or wasn't submitted because failure was expected based on less than ideal fungus resistant traits already observed in Meilland's own growing fields prior to commercialization.

I did purchase an own root Sweet Mademoiselle some years ago, but did not plant it because it appeared to me to have a crown gall. If I had received and planted a healthy one back then, I would know its strengths and weaknesses by now. I would only try a Sweet Mademoiselle again if I had two separate highly favorable reports on superior black spot resistance and winter hardiness to the tips, from gardeners having the same, hot humid summers and cold winters, as I have.

Many gardeners who grow Sweet Mademoiselle give her glowing reports, but not sufficiently relevant to my growing conditions.

My Apricot Candys never exceeded 36-40". My oldest bush had a crown almost a foot across. I reduced their height to 10-12" every spring pruning. I believe Sweet Mademoiselle will easily exceed 3', probably 5-6' or more.

I replaced my four (4), Apricot Candy bushes with:

True Serenity (new)

Julie Andrews (new)

Brindabella Dawn (new)

True Sincerity (have one already)

Moses.

Markay,

How tall does you Yellow Submarine get? HMFR lists it as growing 2'-3' tall. Is Yellow Submarine a good repeat bloomer? No black spotting, right? Thank you. Again, your bush looks phenomenal......inspirational!

Moses.

Moses, everything gets at least some blackspot in my garden. I went out in the fading light for a pic of Yellow Submarine as it is on this last day if August.

As you can hopefully tell, it has so spotty foliage, but it also had a whole lot of healthy foliage and it has s bunch of buds. It is a solid repeater. Mine is probably pushing 5ft now with the lanky late season growth in response to less day light hours.

The Katherine Dulin Folger Rose Garden in DC has a lovely grouping of Yellow Submarine which is how I was introduced to this rose. If you search the garden, I’m sure there are many images online.

Yellow Submarine does not nod, but the blooms do open to expose the stamens. Bees love them.

Markay, that Yellow Submarine foliage looks pretty good for this time of year. Any fungus that hits in late season is acceptable to me as long as it's inconsequential. It's when foliage is getting hit hard already in June, and the bush becomes half defoliated by 4th. of July that makes that variety subject to shovel pruning.

Moses.

Thanks Moses!🌷 I will order some next year.

@Ian Stewart: Zone 6 Western Kentucky, USA, you make a compelling argument for Sweet Mademoiselle. I actually purchased one previously, but shortly after planting it showed signs of RRD. It’s the only time I’ve seen it in my garden so I bagged and disposed if the rose.

I might replace Apricot Candy with Ping Lim’s Sweet Fragrance if I can get my hands on it.

Markay,

Sweet Fragrance is a great rose. I had two bushes of it. Nonstop blooming, being the first bush to flower in spring and the last to finish in the Autumn, were its assets. Sweet Fragrance black spotted here, but not to the total defoliation state, enough though, for me to remove them. The bloom isn't breath taking, just a nice presentation. Its strong suit is abundant blooming and just about continuous bloom.....fast to send out laterals after a dead head cut.

Moses.

I'll be ordering True Serenity & True Passion to try next year.....

Also think I'll try that New Triple KO rose....

Good choices, Jim.

My True Passion is a champ. Not a spot of the dreaded black spot, flowers whose intense tomato red color almost hurts my eyes to look at, blooms, although a little small, 3", come in abundance, no dead heading needed........are all its strong points. True Passion can get tall.....perhaps 6+' at maturity.

Being a third year now, it would be much taller at this time near the season's end, but I over pruned it at spring pruning because it had gotten to about 4' last year, in its second year. True Passion didn't like my decision and decided to send out many canes that widened the bush. Now it's about 3' tall, shorter than this time last year. I predict it will be 5' easily next year. It bloomed its head off this year.

You will really like True Passion, but site it carefully because it can get tall.

Moses, thanks for the advice much appreciated!