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Is Travertine supposed to look like this?

bostonstyle
10 years ago
I am having a house built 100 miles from my current location. I check on progress once a week. Yesterday, I turned on the under cabinet lights and this is what I saw. Very crooked travertine backsplash! Is travertine supposed to look like this? Shouldn't it be a flat and even as traditional subway tile? I want to be prepared if the builder says: "It's supposed to look like that." Many thanks!

Comments (53)

  • PRO
    Patricia Colwell Consulting
    10 years ago
    I don't think the grout will fix that, even if the tiles are not the same thickness a good til layer can adjust so they are all level and by the way why is the plug on the wall if the grout has not been done (just asking)
  • charleee
    10 years ago
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  • inna1975
    10 years ago
    That is just such a poor job
  • bostonstyle
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    If it is a new way of stacking tile, I should have been advised. And they were grouted. Will update you all....
  • User
    10 years ago
    I'd say the tile has been put on too raggedly, it should be a lot more even, not sticking out like that. A no and make them redo.
  • User
    10 years ago
    I would never agree to that kind of installation.
  • bostonstyle
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Thanks, everyone! Will it be difficult to remove this tile? It was installed last week. Worried about granite and surrounding cabinets. What's involved in the removal process?
  • Giuseppina Kilgallon
    10 years ago
    A bad tiler installed those tiles get him to remove them and get another installer don't accept that job. I have just had mine done and it should be completely flush.
  • Rachel H
    10 years ago
    I used this same travertine (it's possibly a different color, but the same type of cut) in a bath in my previous home and it did not look like that. Sorry!!!
  • saratogaswizzlestick
    10 years ago
    The tiles should be flush with one another, not raised and uneven. Very poor job. I would not the the same guy re-install or you will just have more ruined tile.
  • ajrmcr
    10 years ago
    All I can say is this looks hard to clean. I would have it pulled and redone with grout and made level.
  • sunnydrew
    10 years ago
    wow... I would be very upset to find that. the tiles should all be smooth and flush as you run you hand across them.
  • PRO
    ProSource Memphis
    10 years ago
    Remember that a good tile job begins with a FLAT wall behind it. It looks as though that might have been an issue, and the tiler didn't put the brakes on and insist that that be addressed before beginning the job. And then didn't know what to do once he started down that road. This is an issue to bring up with your builder, and let him solve the problem. It's what he's being paid to do. :-)
  • Marilyn Wilkie
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago
    Since this is a new build, it doesn't look like an uneven wall situation to me. It actually looks like the tiles are different thicknesses almost like slate tiles. I don't think this type of installation would use grout in between the tiles either. Did you see the tiles before installation and did they leave and tiles after? I'm not familiar with travertine installations and whether some would use various thicknesses. I Googled "stacked travertine" and some stacked installations do indeed have tiles on a different plane than others.
    bostonstyle thanked Marilyn Wilkie
  • PRO
    Design Distinctions
    10 years ago
    Your tile should absolutely NOT look like that. The face of the tile should be flush. These tiles are tipped. Even if he thought he was being creative and was trying to step some of the tiles out, which he should have OK'd with you first, they shouldn't be tipped. That just looks amateur an messy.
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  • nrb263
    10 years ago
    Travertine is a natural stone and has natural variations in the thickness. This has to be taken into account when installing. We recently installed Travertine in the laundry room as well as a guest bathroom. We paid someone to install the floor tile in the laundry room and had the same uneven effect. We then decided to install the bathroom tile ourselves and it turned out much more even but it is a time consuming process and almost impossible to get perfect (even we had some unevenness). Whoever did this installation obviously did a poor job. I would have it redone.
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  • PRO
    By Any Design Ltd.
    10 years ago
    The tile lippage shown is most likely the fault of not having finished lighting in place prior to installing the tile.

    Or it can be because the installer used a glue or mastic setting material to place the tile in position and pressed them tight to the wall.

    Specifying your standards and what is an acceptable tile lippage is key to getting what you desire in the end.

    The lack of knowledge in this industry is alarming. Tile setting is a skilled trade - not something anyone can do well. Make sure you understand what you want and then specify it.

    Always include things like


    "All work to include the latest specification details of the TCNA or TTMAC." Then let your tile installer look up what these are.

    Proper thin-set choices.

    Acceptable lippage

    Truness of walls

    All of the above and hundreds of other details mentioned in these guidelines.

    With out a proper specicification you can get what you got.
    bostonstyle thanked By Any Design Ltd.
  • bostonstyle
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Learning a lot about tile today....thank you....you think you can trust your nationally known builder!
  • PRO
    By Any Design Ltd.
    10 years ago
    Trust your builder? Seriously.... You need to outline all the spec sheets. What is happening now is that the **** **** answers tradesmen give people can now be goggled.

    Spec details looked up.

    The world is full of a more educated client and the hacks need to raise their game.

    Did you see my discussion on "Spot Setting Tile"

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/tile-failures-understanding-why-spot-setting-should-be-banned-dsvw-vd~832015
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  • Rachel H
    10 years ago
    John Whipple, are you blaming the homeowner for not specifying how he/she wanted this tile to be set?
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  • Marilyn Wilkie
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago
    The only way to make tiles of different thicknesses be in the same plane is to build up the mastic (or other adhesive) on the back of the thinner tiles. This, of course is a more time consuming process. Others may chose to not have them all on the same plane which would simplify the install. Your tiles look more uneven because they are so large. Larger than most tiles on a backsplash. That is why I asked you if they were varying thicknesses before they were installed and whether they left any for you to see. When you specified the tile installation did you discuss what the backsplash would look like? I'm thinking some assumptions were made. Easy to do. I think this is a communication problem, not a craftsmanship problem.
    By the way, the University of Michigan had a beautiful modern psychiatric clinic built a few years ago. They had slate floors put in. Unfortunately the slate was very uneven and people were constantly tripping over the edges. A very expensive mistake. They had actually done it before and ended up having that floor ground down for a more even surface. Even huge entities can have these communication problems.
    bostonstyle thanked Marilyn Wilkie
  • mhteb
    10 years ago
    Looks like a DIY job by a first timer. If you live in an area with a lot of building going on there may be a shortage of skilled professional labor. Stand strong, its your money and your home. This is your contractor's responsibility not yours. It is why you hire a general contractor.
    bostonstyle thanked mhteb
  • Marilyn Wilkie
    10 years ago
    On reading more about travertine tile setting, some installers recommend different methods and types of thin set to set the tiles. Lippage seems to be a common problem with natural stone installations and some even end up grinding them down. Another commenter mentioned that grout lines were lining up which should not happen. They are right about that. You see it in the far right of the photograph. Please let us know what your contractor says about this.
    bostonstyle thanked Marilyn Wilkie
  • Nancy Travisinteriors
    10 years ago
    No I dos not look like this. Installer was lazy.
  • Trish
    10 years ago
    I like it
  • Sam Dewick
    10 years ago
    No..the contractor needs to answer for this..
  • juudean
    10 years ago
    I like the look, and it does look intentional. Harder to keep clean I suspect...
  • PRO
    SL Design
    10 years ago
    The tile has not been installed properly. Sorry about it.
  • bostonstyle
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Update! Thanks everyone for the quick education in tile laying. I forwarded my photos to the Project Manager and expressed my disappointment in the tiles/installation. The backsplash will be corrected!

    Lesson: Always speak up for what you want and what you paid for! Even bigger lesson: Make sure you see what you selected installed in another home BEFORE you select it for your own home. Photos to follow!
  • indianpatti
    10 years ago
    awesome!
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  • sunnydrew
    10 years ago
    yes, the tiles on the right side of picture all have the same vertical grout line, at least 5-6 rows worth. I know that is not correct.
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  • PRO
    By Any Design Ltd.
    10 years ago
    Rachel - I am. In todays world the client needs to be better educated and yes they should know what they want and specify it.

    So many times this happens and the home owner is "Shocked" that the job is not perfect when they have not asked for perfection.

    If you want it perfect - say so. Specify the lip page. Specify the lay out. Do your homework.
    bostonstyle thanked By Any Design Ltd.
  • PRO
    By Any Design Ltd.
    10 years ago
    Remember the lighting needs to be in place.... "While Tiling" Not AFTER
  • saratogaswizzlestick
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago
    John Whipple, I acted as the GC when my husband and I built our house and did provide spec sheets, lay out ect. She is 100 miles away and had hired a builder to oversee things. The builder is responsible for seeing that his subcontractors do their job. Bostonstyle did notice an issue and consulted with others to have her facts lined up before approaching the builder. It sounds like her builder stepped up to the plate and, quite rightly, is correcting the issue. You cannot reasonably expect everyone who hires a builder to be an expert in all the disciplines, that is why they hire a builder. If you want perfect say so? Who doesn't want perfect? By the way she does have lighting in place but the tile guys I hired did not count on lighting provided by me, they brought their own.
    bostonstyle thanked saratogaswizzlestick
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    User
    10 years ago
    No, it should not look like that at all. Also, if it is a "stacking" stone design, it will not be grouted. Grouting this would not smooth it out anyway. I would have them bust it out. They can do it and protect your countertops accordingly and if they say they can't, you need a new contractor. Terrible craftsmanship here.
    bostonstyle thanked User
  • Lynnie
    10 years ago
    Stacking stone design is interesting however, I am wondering if they discussed it with you before doing the work. Often times people will assume that you understand what they are thinking and that is unfortunate. If this is done wrong, then you need to tell them flat out, it needs to be re-done.
    bostonstyle thanked Lynnie
  • Marilyn Wilkie
    10 years ago
    She's got a resolve folks. Check a few comment up before posting. I'm happy things are turning out for them, though this will hold things up a bit.
    bostonstyle thanked Marilyn Wilkie
  • bostonstyle
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Update: the builder tore out the backsplash to appease me but refused to install new tiles. I had my painter paint the backsplash area for now. I think I am going with San Miguel Osso tiles ( elongated bone colored subway tiles). What do you think of off white tiles with antique white cabinets and St. Cecilia Light granite? I am so done with busyness! Trying to keep it simple.
  • bitterswt02
    10 years ago
    To your original question - NO- that is a BAD install - his grout base was probably uneven and he prob failed to use a level. The builder should not refuse to install new tiles if you paid for it. He should redo the work correctly.
  • bitterswt02
    10 years ago
    Th white tile looks nice.
  • saratogaswizzlestick
    10 years ago
    I attached a photo of your proposed backsplash so you can get better feedback. I like it very much. I think it is for the best if you get someone else to install the tile as it is obvious that person just does not know how. It would have been poor work for a DIY person, inexcusable for a professional. To every cloud is a silver lining. I like this backsplash much better, simple is classic and won't date.
    bostonstyle thanked saratogaswizzlestick
  • PRO
    HomeScapes Home Staging San Diego
    10 years ago
    I like the tile saratogaswizzlestick just posted but for cleaning if you can find a little larger tile you won't have the grout lines to worry about maintaining - they can stain easily in a kitchen especially near the cooking area - you might try a larger subway tile in white - just stick with a porcelain or glass tile so that you don't face the uneven issues from natural tiles. With that said, I've used natural stone tiles in several home remodels and never seen anything remotely as uneven as what you originally posted - every job we've done with natural stone turned out great. Good luck and post what you decide on!
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  • Lynnie
    10 years ago
    It looks nice. I would go with subway tiles. A few pictures below:

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    I especially like the seafoam green
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    Love the Patina look as well:
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    You might want to go with the jeweled or shell look, very pretty:
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  • eoosullivan
    10 years ago
    No! Fire installer and find another.
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  • Michael Moynihan
    10 years ago
    I've seen many travertine tile walls look like this. It's natural stone, so sometimes they will very in thickness. If your going for a cleaner smooth finish, then specify that to your contractor. Travertine can be a beautiful tile, but I prefer it on the floor.
    bostonstyle thanked Michael Moynihan
  • bostonstyle
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Ecosullivan-Installer is long gone! :)
  • bostonstyle
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Follow-up: The new backsplash was installed yesterday and grouted today. What a difference! We got the color we selected and a tile person who knew his craft. Thanks for all the advice on travertine, tile installation, etc. BTW, this is San Miguel 3x9 tile. Color: osso.
  • PRO
    HomeScapes Home Staging San Diego
    10 years ago
    Looks great! so much better
  • Marilyn Wilkie
    10 years ago
    Hooray! It looks amazing. Glad it's fixed.