Yes, Jude takes a long time to really reached its potential. I've grow Jude for 13 years almost, and he can grow very large here (8-9f feet tall). Strangely, I'm not wild about the scent, but the blooms are quite unique and beautiful, as is their color. The rebloom could be better as well as the vase life (for me). I don't know if you have thrips, but Jude is never bothered by them. Diane
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