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Reply to: > I was told at 2 stores not to buy plumbed version because if you run into a problem with the waterline, then you have a major repair to the kitchen wall to deal with. That IMO is odd advice. Yes, it's true, but it's also true about for a refrigerator that makes ice or dispenses drinking water. And it's also true for washing machines if you have them in any room of your house. It's one more example of don't take design advice from your average appliance sales person. Instead, get a good plumber and tell him what you need, a water and drain line for an oven, he'll know what to do, a shutoff valve that is accessible, and an indirect drain, (details in Miele's installation specifications). Ask these appliance stores/people why the same argument doesn't apply to dishwashers, would they recommend you not install one for the same reason? They in all likelihood don't stock plumbed versions of CSOs (special order, less commission, more effort), their installers don't regularly (or ever) install plumbed (even less commission, more headache) and they don't want to deal with it (just buy one we have in stock and don't bother us anymore). Do you turn your whole-house water supply valve off when you are away for a weekend or for a vacation (something marked main shutoff valve)? It's peace of mind for the situations your appliance sales guys warned about, ask any plumber if they themselves do this, I'll guess 8 out of 10 do. I wish I would remember to do it 8 out of 10 times when I'm away.

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Reply to: After reading all the responses to your original question, I am surprised that no one has heard about Easy Off Fume Free oven cleaner. This product can clean all but the blackest baked on gunk in a matter of a 15 or 20 minutes. It is harmless to glass and metal and even usable on some plastics. Just spray it on and let it sit for a while and wipe off with a dry rag and then a wet one that you rinse and repeat until all trace of the stain and product are gone. No need for masks or rubber gloves if you are careful (don't breath the spray or fumes). I use it to clean my bathtub and shower. That is harder because I can' t get away from the fumes so I must reach out to spray and get out without inhaling. After a soak the fumes dissipate and I can wipe it off and rinse. This product comes in a blue spray can, not the old yellow one. Walmart carries it.

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