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carpboo - sounds like an old world war II bunker. A jack hammer to take out a mail box? If it is just the poured frost footing see if you can get a chain around it and pull out the whole thing.

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Robin Boggs

Dreamdoctor: do the neonics ever grow out of the shrubs and perennials? For example, if they were purchased and planted three years ago.

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I don't that - if you find it via search please post. I either start my plants from scratch or buy from a "local source" - invariably vegetable plants which I don't think are as likely to have neonicotinoids on them - worst case scenario - they have them but I buy my starter plants small enough they don't have flowers on them which is what lures the insects to their death (they usually put the stuff on ornemental flowering plants) . How insidious! By the time I have them outside the insecticides have washed off and the plants have grown quite a bit.

My mom uses a clay spray for her broccoli/Brussel sprouts etc to keep the cabbage loopers off of them (those little white butterfly looking insects/green caterpillars). Finally a way to grow these veggies without insecticides - I could never bring myself to use them.

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