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Odd question: avacodos, root rot and praying.

20 years ago

Ill start at the beginning, 5 years ago I moved to Florida. Shortly after being here I ate an avocado and planted the seed. Sure enough the seed grew. I new this plant was going to be tall and strong, so I gave it a decent pot, 10". It grew and grew. The plant and me grew close. I moved in and out of a few apartments during the past 5 years and we were together, like brothers. Were waiting on that perfect yard to plant him in. A few storms blew by in the past few years. I would bring him in side and let him sleep indoors, just to be safe and then put him back out. With me and avocado so close, he didnt mind being kept on the lani, so the bonsai plants can get the direct sun out on the front porch, for the last 6 months. I was starting to get worried this past winter/spring when he was not budding like he normally did. But in early spring, he budded and started to shoot new leaves. By now, avocado is taller than me. Didnt take him too long to get that tall. A few leaves opened and then it stoped. I started to get worried, so I checked him over. He had a few scales on him. I cured this with a few different treatments that avocado handled well. He did ok for a week or two, then the leaves were dropping and drooping. I feared the worst for avocado, he was too young for this, he hasnt seen his yard yet. I bought him a new pot, fearing the old one cant be cleaned. I took him out of his shoe for 5 years and all of his roots, black and crumbled. A 6 foot tree and a root ball the size of a tennis ball. I mixed up a new soil and put it in the new pot, packed a small hole so his ball can fit in it. I lined it with Sphagnum moss, sprinkled root tone over the root ball, planted him and tied him to a steak to hold him up in his condition.

Now I ask you, do you have a successful solution to this tragic mishap? I know what went wrong, I cannot correct the past, just try to save my boy.

Even though hes not a bonsai donÂt hold judgment or species on him and help him in this form.

Comments (7)

  • 20 years ago

    Hi, wow, what a story! When you repotted, you should have skipped the moss - it holds water too long when wet (not exactly helpful to your rot situation), and when dry, can steal it from the tree. Coarse, peat-less loam plus some aquarium gravel for fast drainage is good, as would (have?) been a drench with some house plant fungicide (according to label directions). Not sure from your post what the present situation is, so if it's not too late, try again. You have to cut off all the black parts of the roots though (and foliage) to get anywhere.

  • 20 years ago

    Avocadoes have tap roots. They drop leaves if their roots are disturbed & they can develop fungal infections of the roots. They do not like wet feet. They are grown commercially on hillsides  they like cool nights & the hills promote fast drainage.
    I doubt that the scale caused the root damage  possibly too much moisture, a fungus, or roots that had been unhappy for some time.
    I have had several avocadoes with dropped leaves that I rescued. If they are used to soil, they seem to recover in soil rather than too much peat around the roots. I have tried both, & for me the soil only worked better. If it were me, I would give it a large deep pot, put it in the shade, & plant it at a greater depth. If you are pruning the roots to a bonsai technique, you might consider delaying it until the plant recovers.

  • 20 years ago

    I did all of the re potting last night. I shook the roots and rinsed them in water to get rid of all the black. Threw the pot and old soil away. Whats left are a few live roots. I sprinkled root tone, anti fungal, over the roots. I used Sphagnum moss around the roots cause of its anti fungal properties. Moss does hold alot of water, but the roots are so few I was thinking that for a tree this size to be supported by this root system needs to have alot of water; but your right, fast draining, take care of the fungus first, then let the plant grow.
    I think what Im going to do today is pull the plant and mix about 40% turface into the soil I made. I think the current soil (the new batch I made last night) is very slow draining. Then Ill mix about 5-10% Sphagnum moss into the soil for its anti fungal properties. I think the tree is saveable, its leaves are drooping but not dropping, has about 20 full size leaves.
    Does the root rot stay local or is this a systamatic infection of the whole plant. I was going to leave the leaves. I was using them as an indicator of the plants health.
    Thanks for your inputs, as I though, you say fast draining soil and in the shade for a bit. Ill post on the final out come.
    Thanks.
    -Bill

  • 20 years ago

    Don't use sphagnum for its antifungal properties, (although I get the feeling you are talking about sphagnum peat which is actually mostly not sphagnum) there is a reason avacado trees do not grow in peat bogs. The roots are few, and in responce to that you need to make sure that the few roots you have are not lost to rot, it would be a good idea to defoliate the tree to about 1/10 or less of its leaves, because leaves use water and the tree hasn't got that much to spare, its better to have 10 leaves at 100% than 100 leaves at 10%

  • 20 years ago

    Here are some photos of the last repot.
    Photos
    I used about 35% turface, 40% organic soil, 10% sand, 10% Peat and 5% true sphangnum moss(shreaded ultra fine). I cleaning the roots with a soft brush, used copper fungicide, root tone and replanted. I watered the soil, it drained extreamly fast, 5-10 seconds to soak up 2 quarts of water. I did not fully watered it since none of the water came out of the bottom. Im going to leave it sit like that for about a week and see if the leaves do anything.
    As for the leaves, brendan of bonsai, should I remove the small new leaves or the large old ones? My count before might have been a bit low, it might have 40 or so leaves if you count the new ones that are about quarter sized. Im guessing to remove about 50-75% of the leaves since the root system cant support them. Whats your thoughts.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Avocodo

  • 20 years ago

    The fact that you put 2 quarts of water in without any coming out means that it is retaining lots of water rather than draining it. Personally I would remove the new ones, and the branch tips, to force any new top growth to bolster the tree, seeing as how Avacados often shoot straight up out of the ground and are spindley as can be.

  • 20 years ago

    Hi

    Your tree looks leggy & your roots look really bad. The main root looks like it is missing. I encourage you to continue trying, but it would make me nervous if it were my only tree. Grafting is usually recommended for avocadoes  seed production will result in no/poor fruit. I start from seed all the time myself, however. I have thrown about 40 avocadoes away recently &/or used them as mulch away recently because I just have too many.

    Avocadoes do need well drained soil, but can actually grow in clay. They are grown commercially in/near me & the local soil is clay. Sphagnum peat does work, but I would not try it at this point. When mine droop I lose all the leaves  if the tree recovers they will come back. To watch the trees progress watch the top tip of the tree. Sometimes it dies off, & leaves a shortened version of the tree.

    The antifungal is a good idea. There are different causes of root rot. Here are some links to the UC Davis site that might be helpful.

    http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/selectnewpest.avocado.html

    Avocado Root Rot (one cause)

    http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r8100111.html

    I have not tried to bonsai an avocado, but if I were to & could purchase a tree I would start with a dwarf.

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