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Semi-bonsai possible?

21 years ago

I have been captivated by bonsai for years, had a few unsuccesful atttempts that failed due to lack of time, impatience, the usual.

I will be doing plantings around a new small pond and am thinking of creating permanent outdoors bonsai-like trees--larger, not so stylized, but still trimmed, shaped over time, etc. Mostly evergreens is my thinking right now.

My question is, will trees in the 3-4 foot range survive the trimming, shaping, maybe getting wind-swept look over time, kept same height perhaps in a permanent outdoor setting? Or does the process make the tree too fragile?

I guess I am looking for a chance at some creativity, some harmony and perspective at the pond, with more flexibility of care schedule.

I know this isn't true bonsai but the creation and serenity of my proposed work does appeal. I don't see it as topiary. Any species that might work better, any thoughts on care?

Can I start indoors now, ready to transplant in spring or is this the wrong season? Or is this heresy in a bonsai forum? Thanks for your help.

Mike

Comments (8)

  • 21 years ago

    Well, I think it's a nice idea, done all the time all over Japan and to some extent anywhere else, but it's important to first learn something about what you're planting and how it grows, regardless of whether you're styling it or not. Were you planning on growing evergreens from seed indoors, or what (with regards to 'transplanting in spring')? Seed growing will take years to achieve the overall bulk you need to work with, and you wouldn't start by planting indoors but outdoors, letting nature (and winter) do that job. If not from seed, then if you can still plant anything where you are and have the material, it can be done now from nursery stock without disturbing the rootballs at all, watering until the ground freezes. As far as styling goes, you could do some in the spring (tho' mugos should wait til early July), but you'd be better off to wait til next late fall for any real pruning, etc. You also need to learn about pinching candles, etc. to direct growth where you want it, and there's definitely more to it than I can tell you about here. Go to www.evergreengardenworks.com/articles and you can learn all the basics there, at least it's the best online place I know of to start with. There's no reason the trees shouldn't survive if things are done properly (certainly not if they can do it in little pots vs inground!), but you should spend a lot of time learning (measure twice, cut once :-) before proceeding. The fact the roots will be in the ground vs a pot makes your job easier, not harder, because you won't have to really do anything with the roots once the trees are established, only the above ground tree.

  • 21 years ago

    Thanks Lucy--what a great link. I have several bonsai books from philosophy through techniques. Time to dust them off and use the link you sent.

    I would use nursery stock (sorry, not familiar with all the right terms) At least I could see my project right away. My wife is a pretty accomplished gardner and quite artistic so maybe the two of us will have success.

    I once tried an Alberta spruce fresh from Home Depot, trimmed it to look more like a Norway pine but did too much too fast at the wrong time of year. I liked the cedar description on the link and maybe can find one.

    You say late fall is a good time to work on the tree. This is late fall--if I find a couple of likely candidates could I start now in pots and then plant in the spring?

    I obviously need to read and give a lot of thought to this. Your encouragement that it is not an unusual goal to have planted "bonsai" is great.

    Thanks. I'll post more questions as they might arise.

    Mike

  • 21 years ago

    Hi, you have to plant now. Where would you keep the trees til spring otherwise? Oh, in pots someplace at home? Inside? On the deck? Protected in some way for winter?

  • 21 years ago

    We have a "potting" room in the basement. Cooler room, stone foundation walls on two sides. Probably store in there. Depends on completion of the pond work and the selection of plant locations. Perhaps that will come too late. Any reason why I can't buy plants in the spring, put in the ground and begin work in the fall? Or why I shouldn't buy now and keep inside (only if I find something nice)?

    The more I learn the less I know! Hope that will stop soon.
    Mike

  • 21 years ago

    Mike. You cannoT keep evergreens in the house over winter. That's the point. They need to go dormant in the cold outside, get buried in snow, have the ground freeze around them, etc. and need to acclimatize to it all having already been out since summer, and the reverse in spring. A cold (very relatively) bsmt won't do it. You can shop and plant in spring, then work in the late fall, early winter. Yes.

  • 21 years ago

    I came across an earlier post that reminded me bonsai is growing in a container and what I am interested in is closer to Japanese gardening--wrong forum I guess. Semi-bonsai is what, half-crocked? I do believe much of the technique can apply to what I hope to do--which I never intended to call bonsai anyway out of respect for the philosophy.

    So I'll put my plants out and bring myself in and sit by the fire with good references for the spring.
    Mike

  • 21 years ago

    There is actually a name for a tree treated like Bonsai but grown in the ground, unfortunatly I can't remember it. I have a maple that I could never make happy in a pot so I planted at the enterance of my garden. I keep it trimed to about 30 inches and it gets better every year.

  • 20 years ago

    Topiary

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