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Slate Driveways?

20 years ago

A few years back, I installed a major project at my house here in Seattle. Grade elevations with three sets of retaining walls, an irrigation system, installation of mature trees, electricity, a water feature, etc. If any of the folks from that time period are still here, thank you again for the advice and suggestions as I went along. The project has aged beautifully, and I'm still thrilled with the results.

Now it's on to the backyard. My backyard is 15'(from house to lot-line) by approximately 40'. 18' of the 40' is taken up with a dilapidated carport which opens to an alley running along the side of the property. The remaining 22 feet is mostly brush, trash, rotting tie planters and a moldy, useless 7X7 foot deck. The fencing has to go, and there is a 2 to 3 foot grade change between the two areas. I'm ripping everything out and starting (literally) from dirt.

The final project will include custom fencing and latticework, a two sided, open wisteria pergola, a built-in gas fireplace, a double water feature, built-in and irrigated planters, potted Italian Cypress, and a "dream-turf" type lawn system.

Why all the background? Because if I remember this site correctly, someone always has an opinion on something, and any feedback at all (particularly critical) will be considered and appreciated. But for right now, here's the question:

I intend on using the original carport footprint for a patio with a fireplace and water features, enclosed on two sides by a pergola. (COOL design from gardenstructures.com.) A realtor friend has warned me, though, about losing my off-street parking (I donft have a garage), so I'm designing a 9' lattice gate that will open onto the side alley, allowing for vehicle access onto the patio. (Seller to Buyer -- you want a carport? I'll slap some plywood over the pergola and you've got one. For me who actually LIVES there? I'm entertaining in front of a fireplace 9 months a year -- the car stays out front.) I am considering slate tiles for the patio space under the pergola. Can one use slate tiles for egaragef flooring? Is it too "soft?" Will it flake or turn to powder if used often? I love the porcelain "faux slate" tiles I've seen, but while they clearly won't work, will real stone work over time? Is it too porous to use around a water features? Remembering that the limited size requires a true attention to detail (i.e. I don't care for stamped concrete), does anyone have an alternate suggestion? And finally, does anyone know if Seattle is considered a "freeze/thaw" zone? (A Home Depot term.)

As I continue this project, I'm sure I'll be looking for advice, but this is a start. I'll see if I can post some pics to show off the mess I'm starting with and (hopefully) the progress. Thanks in advance to anyone who would like to comment.

James

PS -- For all of you that warned me about English Ivy during the first project --- um --- uh --- well --- *swallow* --- uh --- I was wrong. You were right. The stuff is prolific and just foul. Oh, well, live and learn. :)

Comments (7)

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hi--well do I remember your inventive front yard that seemed to involve so much excavation--glad to hear its doing well and I'd enjoy seeing a picture. As to slate...I happen to work in a rural Virginia county that is world-famous for its slate quarries--lots of houses with slate roofs, etc. I've never worked with it and don't have the answer to the slate driveway question, but I bet I can get a couple of sound opinions for you if nobody here knows. People use it for patio flooring all the time, but my memory is that it becomes quite slippery when wet. So my response isn't particularly helpful, but I'm looking forward to all your hard work on the back yard and treatises thereupon!

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hello James - good to hear from you again!

    Slate is brittle and unless you use very thick pavers (big $$), is liable to shatter and break with the weight of most cars.

    While you express a dislike for "stamped" concrete, I'd suggest you investigate further and really a consider a pre-fab concrete paver called "hydraslab" manufactured by I believe Abbotsford (if memory serves - it's getting questionable these days). I've used these in a number of jobs and they are really a high quality product with a great appearance. They are available in a number of colors and finishes, including one with the textured appearance of cut slate. Yes, they do not have the fine degree and subtlety of colors that natural stone does, but their durablilty is far superior. It would be a shame to invest the type of dollars into this project using natural slate would demand, ony to have the work deteriorate quickly with use. Check out the stoneyard across from the Fremont Fred Meyer (can't remember their name either - it's getting bad!!) - they carry them.

    No, Seattle is not considered a "freeze/thaw" zone but with this type of application and projected use, I'd certainly consider setting whatever material you finally choose in mortar to prevent the possible shifting of a dry set that would most likely occur with the weight of a car on it, even periodically.

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Are you planning to park on it at all? Or only have it available for resale value? If you do not plan to park on it yourself, do what you like with slate. If the next guy is not happy with the slate, then he can replace it.

    If you plan to park on it, of course, then you do need to consider different options.

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Slate is definately way too slippery when wet; I always steer my clients away from it. I imagine that in Seattle moss growing would make it even worse. Also, if there were ever going to be a car on it, it would need to be wet set on a concrete slab. All in all, I would recomend some other paving material.

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Ditto on nixing the slate -- too brittle (it also scales -- layers "peel" off, and it cleaves and splits). Around here, a veritable "freeze thaw" zone, granite cobbles -- rectangular or square hewn blocks of rough stone -- are popular as driveway material. If properly set, they are practically "forever" and add a nice, formal or semiformal appearance to an entry. And their rough surface provides good traction.

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks to all who responded:

    Shady: Nice to hear from you again! It's been a long time. I'm flattered you remember that last project. Right now it's a bit "flat," i.e. annual beds are just about "between seasons," an experiment with sabo palms in the planters failed miserably after a freeze (they were perfect in the summer though), and I yanked the roses and still haven't decided what do with the space. (I'm thinking rhodies -- a bit "safe" but appropriate to the house and region.) The hedges have grown-in well, though, and the hardscape is doing great -- no shifting, no settling, and irrigation and electricity still working well. I'll send you a pic or two when the "fluff" comes back in a month or so. Thanks again for your offer for more information, but I think my question has been answered. Nice to hear from you.

    GardenGal!!! How are you?! Thanks much for the information. Sounds like your business is doing well. Glad to hear it. Thanks for your feedback. Helpful as always. I'll get down to Fremont to check it out. Still at the same nursery?

    Gottagarden: I may park on it a few times a year, mostly to keep the car off the street during extended travel. Otherwise, you make a good point. Thanks for the feadback.

    Jeremy: I appreciate your input as well. Right now I'm looking at granite pavers/cobbles. I really like formality and elegance, and despite the fact my house is the size of a matchbook, I'm trying to pretend it's not. LOL -- I'll probably end up with the "gatehouse of an estate" look (in my oh-so-not-an-estate-neighborhood.)

    Cady: Good to hear from you as well. Thanks for the feedback. Like I said above, I'll have to move on to a different material. Actually, sometimes I get caught up in existing hardscape and can't see beyond it. That, and the fact that I *always* get grandiose, overblown and over-budget ideas for my tiny place, makes me think I'll need to remove everything, including the carport and fencing, and start a new design after I stare at it a while. (My accountant might be happier with that, too.)

    Thanks again for the feedback, guys. I'll let you know how it goes.

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    One of my friends has a slate driveway (and patio and walk to the front steps). It is set in concrete. I am guessing it is 20 years old. She has a character house (the one everyone looks at when driving down the street).

    The "mortar" between the slate is cracked in several places and one piece of slate is missing--I assume it cracked out of the mortar years ago.

    Even so, it still looks charming.