Yes you sound very happy lol. Just got back in from mucking out our barn. Hubby kept saying his eyes were watering from our buck. Oooh boy, he's ripe and ready for our girls. Your is in rut right? You didn't mention any of the nasties from a first time buck owner.

Read up on urine scald and careful with his diet, those urinary calcium stones sneak up on you. I would never keep a mean buck, never, just too dangerous for my situation. I'm always going into the pens so I don't need to be watching my back.

honestly, i dont' know if he's in rut or not. the nanny goat and he just seem very intent on being together. i think if he could chew threw the chain link fence he would. but he is not trying to climb it or butt it or anything. he does have a strong smell, but i'm not sure if that is regular bilygoat smell or his special smell.

his urine does seem stronger than the girls. is that the scald.

so, specifically waht are the nasties? i am pretty strong stomached. so okay to be for real.

i will read up like you said but ANYTHIGN you want to tell me as i've very new to it is welcome. THANKS. :)

OK rut has started here about a month ago, they pee nonstop on their faces and get erections to attract the does. Its not pretty or cute but part of nature. They will pee on their face and then curl their lips up to test the air if the female is in heat.

If this buck hasn't been around females most likely he hasn't come into rut, now that he has some it should start fairly soon. Your girls will be acting HORRIBLE trying to get to him. Normal heat signs would be wagging their tails which is called flagging. The does will mount each other and act crazy silly towards your buck. It only three days long but you will feel like its an eternity. lol

If you don't see this rut behavior often called bucky behavior I would be worried he was fixed by burdizzo which is the crushing of his tubes to his testicles. The testicles will remain but not a large. If your not used to looking at a buck you probably won't notice. So I will politely ask do his testicles look huge to you, big compared to a large dog?

Your does will naturally like a buck or wether (castrated buck) but most can't tell the difference unless their is a normal buck in and includes a wether. So don't use the girls as a reference for his fertility is what I'm trying to say. Urinary scald is when the pee will actually burn the skin over time and you can get infections from the sores.

His face and legs will be covered in thick goo after awhile, so be prepared mentally that its normal.

thanks for being to the point. i looked up on line some stuff and saw some of what you were saying but much beter to just hear it from someone.

actually, one of hte reasons why i went on and accepted him was that the daughter was seeming to me that she was mounting the mom. i'm gay and have no problem with a gay goat, lol, but i thought.........hmmm.....maybe we'll see if you want to make any pretty (or in my locality's case) tasty babies.

plus, the girls to me seemed, hmmm... more uh, vulvalicious than usual.

the boy to me has gigantic balls. he is pretty approachable. if i were to give one a squeeze (okay with a face mask on ;) ), would it feel empty if he was a wether? or will it still feel the same?

very good to tell me about the goo.

also thanks for the urinary scald. i was thinking you meant the grass.

he mooned after the mom at the fence long after they went to bed. she seemed to come to the fence to see him a lot, too, but could also be because i was in that yard more than usual. i was hoping he would mate the daughter, who to my mind is much larger and healthier than the mom. mom is healthier than when i first got her, but may just be scrawny by nature. very smart though and very sweet. daughter is very large and not as smart.

when people make tasty comments, it's more the daughter. i dont' want to eat her, but as far as her babies go.....

the mother actually seems to have a boyfriend in the duck. she is very, very attached to him and butts the dog in the air if he bugs the duck. they actually nuzzle.

so, for that reason, too, i was thinking hey the daughter and the new goat. plus, she has seemed to get lonely and bugged lately that she is the third wheel.

notice how i can both anthropromorphize goats AND discuss eating them at once? lol.

thanks for all your help. maybe you will answer a few more questions for me in a couple days when i start going crazy with what have i done? :)

oh. ps. thanks for saying about the tail wagging part. i had seen that before but was not sure what that was symbolic of but knew it was something.

after he saw the girl goat today, i saw him pee. it wasn't in a standing sort of a way but in a if i hurry up quick can i catch that way. i didn't know you could run and pee. oh, mmaybe it wasn't pee? no. it was pee. right. lol. yes.

i feel like i'm going to be too graphic but then i think well it's a farm forum it should be okay.

If he's not used to being in rut with all the right moves he'll look funny trying to catch his spray of pee. Your girls will not let him mount until they are for sure in heat. Mine go into heat every 21 days but I think it can vary amongst does.

If the mom doesn't look at healthy as her daughter I would worm them all. It doesn't hurt and hey, it gets you used to handling them. When the time comes you may need to "go in" to save those babies if its a bad birth. Your going to be amazed how fast you learn to be a vet.

You may just fall in love with those babies and won't be able to part with them. They are the best part of owning goats in my opinion. I raise pack goats now so mine actually do have a purpose. Do you have a meat bread? It may be hard to make money off dairy goats bred for market. The auctions can be brutal on dairy goats.

i think it's different where i live. mexican and also portugeese culture is very important here. people have been wanting to eat them since the very first day. i actually had two guys arguing (in a pleasant way) about who was going to get to bbq the first kid in my driveway the other day when they realized i might stop being so silly and realize what goats were FOR. :)

so, it wouldn't be an auction so much as, hey go to that lady's house, the one who has the goats. you know, the one who puts collars on them. esta loca! :) but she might give you a goat for a good price. lol

so will they not run when they are in heat? or they will run but let him catch them. i was a little worried it might be like ducks. ick.

i think this is his first time with other goats. not that he's so young but that he has been handed back and forth as a grass cutter a lot so to speak. the person who had him last said he thinks he's a dog.

they all seem to me to be different breeds, though the two girls are related. she must have mated something much bigger and much different than herself. the daughter may indeed be a meat breed because she is large and the one who attracts the most attention from neighbors. the mother is an alpine, a sort of old craggly looking nanny goat. the boy is not a pygmy, but still not large. definitely no bigger than the alpine.

i know that free animals are not always considered the "best" way to stock a farm but that is what is practical for me right now. as my neighbor says, if it's free it's for me.

oh. and the girls are both smooth short hair and the boy is longer and thicker.

Those girls will become little jezabels when they are in heat, they will expect and demand he mount them.

Only the older does who have a choice of bucks will not stand for a younger or smaller buck. So you shouldn't have this problem.

Are they in the same pen yet? I would start to put them together if you want March babies. The does will run from him if he tries to mount or butt the crap out of the guy. Your going to be shocked, about 18 hours before the actual heat begins the buck will be getting more and more anxious because the smells will start to change. Its natures way of saying OK start producing as much sperm as you can because the window of opportunity is so small.

When you do have those kids in your yard be careful because cabrito is the very best and theft can be an issue

thanks for letting me know about the theft. i let them in together about five minutes. i was a little overwhelmed by how enormously fast and animated they all became. i am used to the girl goats being really mellow. plus i was honestly afriad that the duck that is literally a siamese twin with the one goat would accidnetally get smushed from all the changing behavior. so maybe i will put him somewhere else.

so, if i go on and put them together now, then since it is about the right time of year plus with the girls cycle it will all stimulate each other and work out.

when the buck was in there for five minutes today and i had decided, well, just leave them in there together and the females came whippping around fifty miles an hour and just flew by me into the other yard. they've never done that before. they never ever try to escape. so, then i was more startled and just like, uh, yeah. let's do this another day.

but they seem a lot lot faster than him. so i guess that it will all just work each other out.

thanks for letting me process all this, both the physical and emotional aspects of it. i admit to sort of feeling like hey these are my babies and i can't put them in there with him. no car dates either til they're sixteen! ;)

lol yes I know the feeling for sure

They will run away or butt him hard, usually the does are brutal on the bucks, no mercy. Thats my experience at least.

Do they have horns? Mine do, the does are usually smaller but have a mean punch to them. The does will also learn mean habits like biting the testicles or ears. Don't be alarmed they will just get tired of running and learn tactics. lol

I keep my chickens out of the pens, they will step on them accidentally when its just before a heat cycle because the bucks get so nutty and don't pay attention, constantly badgering the girls. I have a doe that just LOVES her chickens, but I don't trust she may accidentally harm them when running or butting her buck.

They get a lot of exercise during breeding season, your going to need to watch their weight. A little extra alfalfa may be needed during this time.

ah, so with the chickens you also understand the other aspect of it, too. yeah! i NEED you. thank you. i feel like i should send a thank you gift basket or something.

actually, these does were dehorned when i got them. the mother is the same size as the boy and the daughter is larger. so, probably the horned/dehorned thing is not a good match. but at least with them not being smaller, maybe it will be an even balance.

so, do you think if they were in there together full time for like three days. do you think that's what i should imagine? or ?

i just got a delivery of hay yesterday. so that works out well.

I was actually thinking about this very question as I was up free ranging them this evening. If you really don't want your buck in with them you can (with the shared fence) just wait it out until she starts flagging. The problem I have had with this is they destroy the fencing trying to get to the girls. For controlled breeding programs bucks are usually removed until the person wants their does bred, its not a shared fence its a separate far away pen. Especially if they are dairy. BUT I think your buck needs to get into his rut "suit" and no iffy business. So thats the reason why I would want him in with your girls to get the full experience of when these girls go into a full heat. So thats an opinion, no facts just something I've been thinking about.

I've seen bucks not go into rut and its weird but understandable since they are so separated and removed from the natural smells of the doe.

Mine fight it out and run or butt and their is very definitely a general order to all of this. They are very content and happy until those three days come and then its all chaos. I can see they have an instinct for the dominant and passive roles. It doesn't matter the sex because I keep some wethers here plus my preferred buck is not the dominant, he's huge and polled (no horns) but the girls love him first and then go to the next preferred (stinkiest).

gift basket

you made me laugh... such a nice heart... but someday very soon you'll be dishing out advice

i was wondering about the fence thing too. when they have been together, they smell each other in a way i would think of dogs doing. so i figured that was a good sign. only again, that was with the mom who i imagine has a recollection of the way things go. i don't know if the daughter is not interested or through dominance she keeps her away. it's the mom who i just don't see as being as hardy as the daughter. what if i put the daughter in with the guy and just got it over with. no questions asked. the mom i don't think could get in there. and probably the guy would get distracted and go for the daughter. the daugther, though. oh. i'm having my virginal daughter protective streak again. the daughter gets a switch to her tail, too. so i know she has the interest. at least sometimes. oh, my. i do feel a fainting spell coming on.

lol

but more from when they were kids. not current knowledge. and though they can be fun to hang out with, tend to be very macho and not good at answering questions. more interested in teasing the single lady trying to do it by herself.

of course, then, when i do something like process and eat the rooster because he's being too aggressive then they either stand back like ohhhhhhh she's really serious........which is sort of good or one came over and shook my hand. even though he had told me before i just had to put up with it. and i was like, no, i don't. i bet he would make good gumbo. and he did.

so, later they will be glad it worked out okay, but NOT helpful in the actual process. cause part of the fun is in seeing if i fail. even though my family before me was super mega rural. i was just raised very city. they tell me, with my high school education, i'm the "intellectual" of the area.

so, they like me, but also wouldn't mind if i messed up. but if i don't, hey, they can have goat meat. yum.

i saw them make a baby! yeah. :)

now i know what to look for and their temperament and the signs. you are right about the female being into it also. i was so afraid it was like ducks. eek.

i also saw the penis pee in the mouth thing. he has very good reach and doesn't spill any. just goes right for it. ha.

the duck got ran over by all three of them. but survived.

i found his horns are very, very useful. just grab and don't let go. this fat woman has a lot of strength.

that made me feel a lot more secure, too. though i know during rutting don't get in the way.

oh. your help made today so much easier. thanks.

lol yes those nasty roosters don't last long here either.

The does should tell you they are in heat and when the buck should be let in. They will stand at the fence and try to stay very close to him. When they do that go ahead and let the buck in. The does will just "stand" for it. My does are pathetic, crying for the buck, flagging, rubbing the fence line. I am always happy when its over with, back to sanity and peace.

I think we were posting at the same time, remember to mark your calendar you will want to be there if for sure! They are pretty spot on too, not like us humans.

Yeah! Good for you, poor ducky

oh. i forgot to mark calendar. you're right. so they are spot on. i didnt' know of they need a honeymoon weekend or whatever. she did rub and try to be as close as she could through the fence. taht was actually what made me go okay and let him in. and they went to it pretty quick. then over with.

so do you think that the mom will keep teh daughter from doing the fence rubbing thing. like, stay away from my man? or would the daughter come and do that anyway regardless of what the mom said.

Keep him in with her for as long as she wants, I think its a 6 hour "best" window. They will do their business for 24 hours or so. Don't separate even though it could happen on the first time for sure.

No, I have never seen that happen, where a dominant keeps another from a buck. When she is done with her heat she will leave the fence line altogether, she will have NO interest in him after this. Her daughter will have her own time with him and mom will careless.

oh. i misunderstood what you meant. i did seperate them. i will go stick him back in.

oh, and that is good to know about they won't fight over him, they come into heat on their own time. i guess i was thinking of cheerleaders trying to land the football captain.

okay. moved boy to back area. moved duck to side area. brought dog inside from side area so he won't eat duck. figured chickens can make their own way. there's a lot of room in the back. just moved duck because since he is joined at hip with goat, he is the one who would get hurt. he is not like the chickens. he will not scatter when they start running. he is used to being a goat and fake eating hay between the two girl goats. they watch out for him and dont' step on him. they consider him one of theirs. whereas they have no patience for the chickens whatsoever. but the chickens already expect that and will stay away. the duck would be in a for a perhaps unsettling and rather uh, unfortunate awakening.

Okay, you've got petty theft, the innocent duck who just wants someone to love, the dog who wants to prey on her, the poor poor chickens who can barely fend for themselves and a mother daughter combo sleeping with some guy who pisses all over himself... Throw in a drug addiction and car chase and you've got a hit!

Snycal, I see you are in zone 9 CA, How far are you from Exeter, if I may ask? I need a billy for my two girls but don't want to buy diseases from the sales yard.

the mother daughter combo who sleeps with some guys who pees himself.

i had a very hard day. taking in a tenant to help meet bills. thought he would arrive sunday, but came today insitead. eek.

your joke was just what i needed.

the guy who pees himself is back sleeping in the yard. the women got too smart and send him back where he belonged.

sounds like your new tenant may be the drug problem... come on car chase!

As far as the guy who pees on himself, do you mean the goat or the new tenant? Either way, I know how he feels... I'm a horny old goat whose woman makes him sleep in the yard to!

I don't know where Exeter is, so I am assuming not very close

I'm in the 93907 zip code...

I'll buy the movie btw