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Anyone try Spring Satin Plumcot?

18 years ago

The USDA says it is bred for the humid southeast, Z6-9. Very sweet with complex flavor. Pollinates w/ Japanese plums. The tree looks like an Apricot and the fruit looks like a plum with light fuzz. Sounds like it is worth a try on Long Island.

A plumcot has actual Apricot parentage unlike Pluots that have no detectable Apricot DNA.

NY Fruit Quarterly;

" Hybrids between P. salicina or P.

cerasifera and apricot have also been

successful, but many are not very

productive. Burbank introduced several

plumcots long ago, but mostly as

novelties. In recent times many varieties

have come out of California from private

breeders, such as ÂRed Velvet, ÂRoyal

Velvet, ÂFlavor Supreme, ÂFlavor Delight,Â

ÂFlavor Queen, ÂPlum Parfait, ÂDapple

Dandy and others. Most of the initial

wave were not very productive, which

reduced their commercial value. Some,

though, had excellent eating quality. After

backcrossing and intercrossing these

plumcots, it became difficult to distinguish

hybrids from plums. Zaiger Genetics

trademarked the terms "pluot" and

"aprium" for hybrids that resembled the

plum parent or the cot parent, respectively.

The California industry has recently begun

using the term "interspecific" to describe

these plumcot derivatives although the

term overlooks the fact that most Japanese

plums are already just that. Confusion

over what is legally a plum affects

marketing orders, grade standards,

monetary box assessments, and pesticide

usage. A recent molecular study compared

DNA of pluots ÂBlack KatÂ, ÂDapple

DandyÂ, ÂFlavor FallÂ, ÂFlavor GrenadeÂ,

ÂFlavorichÂ, and ÂFlavorosa to that of 14

plum varieties, 7 apricots, and ÂFlavorellaÂ

plumcot (Ahmad, et al. 2004). They found

no evidence of apricot DNA in any of these

pluots, whereas the plumcot had genetic

material from both apricot and plum. In

any case the marketing of these pluots as

distinct from plums has allowed a wider

range of fruit to be marketed, in terms of

appearance and quality."

Comments (11)

  • 18 years ago

    That's interesting. Pluots are genetically plums. They certainly look like plums. But I don't know of any plums that taste as good as the best pluots. But that's just me, my environment, and my taste buds.

    Most of the apriums are dead ringers for apricots. The only fruit I have that definitely looks and tastes like a plum x apricot cross is the infamous Flavorella. It's shaped like a plum, has fuzz like an apricot, the bossoms look more apricot, but the taste is like a plum; sweet in center of the flesh but tart at skin and near the seed. Funny thing is it's one of the ones I don't care for. But it is very attactive and has the strongest aroma of any fruit I've smelled.

    The Fruitnut

  • 18 years ago

    I was on the toilet reading Starks catalog, came across Spring Satin Plumcot bred for the southeast. Google search found an article the breeder, Okie, wrote quoted above. I ordered one yesterday. The link below, Spring 2006 article, "Introgression of Prunus species in Plum" W.R. Okie, USDA.

    Here is a link that might be useful: New York Fruit Quarterly

  • 18 years ago

    Whoa, Ace, TOO much information for a public forum!!!

  • 18 years ago

    Ace:

    That is called the reading room. Each one should be equipped with a catalog/magazine rack.

    Don Yellman, Great Falls, VA

  • 18 years ago

    Uh, getting back to the original topic: I too ordered one, last year. At some point I read some comments about its flavor which sounded like it was good but not particularly great in that category, so I am only holding modest expectations for it. At least it sounds like it sets fruit well, unlike the pluots for us east coast growers.

    Scott

  • 18 years ago

    Scott, Speaking of setting fruit on Pluots. I just found two flowers on a Flavor King Pluot I planted BR last July. I tried hand pollinating using Superior plum flowers. By next season the Santa Rosa should provide proper cross pollination.

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  • 18 years ago

    Ace:

    I had Flavor King and a couple other varieties of Pluots, and difficulty of pollination was one of the main reasons I took them out. Very vigorous trees, plenty of blossoms, but little to no fruit set. I hope yours do better.

    The plumcot sounds like a different animal, and might be better in this respect. The few pluots that did set in the several years I had mature trees were very attractive to the oriental fruit moth. About in the nectarine class as OFM candy.

    Don Yellman, Great Falls, VA

  • 18 years ago

    This year I have a huge fruit set on my pluots, so maybe I will actually get some fruit. Most of them end up falling off but I didn't ever have so many to start with in past years, and hopefully I will have a few that stick it out. I am not planning on thinning at all due to past experience of so many dropping. I have countless pollinators for them, several dozen different japanese plums and apricots bloomed this spring.

    Scott

  • 17 years ago

    Hi..I have a 'Flavor King Pluot" for about five years. (I have a Santa rosa near by) No fruit, and I've never pruned it. My question is, does the pluot get fruit on first year growth or second year growth? Thanks, Carol

  • 17 years ago

    I got fruit the second year on my pluots (Flavor Queen, Dapple Danddy and Flavor Supreme) but then that was with constant hand-pollination from both my Japanese Plums and my apricots. And even then only a couple "took".

    Carla in Sac

  • 17 years ago

    Carol:

    Flavor King blooms and sets fruit on last years wood. I've gotten fruit on nearly all pluots in the 2nd leaf. If your tree is blooming but not setting fruit then it is not getting pollinated. If it is not blooming, then I don't know what's wrong. There are a few pluots that don't bloom much or set much fruit in the 2nd leaf, but Flavor king is not one of those.

    Your most likely problem is lack of a suitable pollinator variety or lack of bees.

    The Fruitnut