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Kordes Freelander growing instructions...

16 years ago

Here are the growing instructions for the Kordes Freelander roses that I got from Rahel at Palatine. Unfortunately for me I didn't get them until after I had already shovel pruned the Masquerade and Magma Freelanders that I attempted to grow a few years back. I think these will definitely be an asset to getting these roses off to the proper start and thus make them much better roses in your garden.

Verbatim:

"Here are some establishing recommendations for outdoor cut roses.

Plant in rows 1 1/2 to two feet apart. Row to row depends on equipment (tractors, sprayers etc.).

Graft union should be 1-2 inches below ground.

Prune that twelve buds remain (three canes with four buds each of four canes with three buds each).

Hill them after planting and thorough watering so that the sun cannot dry them out. One week later unhill again.

Install a drip system if possible at all. A fertilizer injection system is also a good idea since your plants can be fertilized through the water when necessary. Due to the heavy removal of stems later on the plants will need excellent nutrition.

Mulch is always a good idea for weed control. Residual herbicides can be applied; I do not recommend them in the first season. Materials are Treflan; Simazine will work but might set back stem production.

Let your plants grow until the first buds appear and cut off the head (terminal bud)and let the shoot stand for two weeks. New shoots will quickly appear and should be treated the same way. With this practice we are creating energy within the plant without removing leaves (which are the fatory that creates the energy for later heavy production). The "headles" stems can be removed after they have served their duty and make room for the actual flowering stems. After six weeks or so three basal (near ground) shoots will develop and can be left standing to bloom and harvest. At the developing stage all weak growth should be cut out.

During heavy flower production all the weak growth will be retained and pinned down horizontally to stay active in photosynthesis. All good strong shoots will then be retained and the flowers harvested.

Once the roses have been harvested make sure to cool the flowers down right away after cutting."

So, that is it. I hope these instructions help those of you who have Freelanders ordered or already growing and are not pleasing you with their vigor and blooming prowess. I know from personally growing Masquerade and Magma Freelander roses unsuccessfully that conventional growing techniques that work on my other roses don't seem to be sufficient to successfully grow these Freelander roses.

My Freelander roses were both excellent bareroot specimens as Palatine is so known for supplying their customers. However it was all downhill from there.

My Masquerade Freelander grew like a monster with 5 or 6 basal canes growing vigorously straight up to about 7' tall but they had no lateral stems/canes at all so the blooming was very limited to only on the very ends of the canes much as a climbing rose will do. If you don't have some horizontal growing lateral stems you will not get copious blooming on your roses, plain and simple. And, that does not make for a happy rosarian at all if you are anything like me!! I want flowers!

Converseley, with the Magma Freelander rose I grew, this plant never grew vigorously after breaking dormancy and I don't believe it ever got over 2' tall the whole three years I had it. So, with no real growth and definitely no laterals, I very rarely got any blooms at all on Magma except for just a few on the very ends of the canes again. The blooms I did get were small, waxy-looking, scentless, and muddle colored and formed. Just not pretty at all and very disappointing.

I think this method of starting out a rose may also be beneficial for some other roses I have grown. Lynn Anderson is another rose that for me grew straight up and tall on 5 basal canes and had no lateral growth whatsoever so I very rarely got any blooms at all and the ones I did get-though beautiful of form and color-were about the size of a small mini-flora which was also very disappointing. I have seen many photos of LA grown by others that have been beautiful blooms of decent though not large size, which is typical of the variety I think. Lynn Anderson was another rose that I shovel pruned because of this problem of no lateral growth and few blooms. But, now that I see these recommendations, I am definitely going to give this one as well as the two Freelanders I eventually shovel pruned another chance in my garden just to see how they do when grown this way. Lynn Anderson has proven to be a good exhibition rose for many and also a popular breeding rose for hybridyzers though I am not sure I really want to pass along roses that require this type of special growing techniques to be successful in the garden. It is more for curiosity's sake to see if I can do it than anything else.

I love a challenge!!

Good luck with these and post to let us here know how your Freelander roses do trying these instructions growing them compared to the way you would normally do your roses.

Thanks so much,

John

Comments (10)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks John. I have copied the above instructions and will try these techniques with the Freelanders I have already, and those I have ordered for spring delivery.
    Judith

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    It seems to me that those are very peculiar instructions -- esp if they are intended for the home gardener. I recall reading on this forum that Kordes developed the Freelanders as florist roses to be grown in the open rather than under glass. Reading carefully, I think the instructions are clearly intended for commercial growers who produce cut flowers for the florist trade, & who 'push' their plants for maximum bloom production.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree with jaxondel, these seem like instructions more for commercial flower production. I haven't had any trouble getting my Freelanders to bloom and look beautiful without needing to do all that work to snip off the first set of blooms or trim them down.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Athenainwi, do you grow 'LAGUNA'? My neighbor, who has never grown roses, had me order Laguna for her for spring delivery, and I was worried that the Freelanders would not be a good choice for a beginner.

    I agree, these instructions sound very hard to follow for the average home gardener.
    -terry

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Those are some crazy planting instructions, John! I have done nothing out of the ordinary with my Freelander roses, and they've all done very well. MAGMA is a big bloom machine. MASQUERADE did take an extra yr to get really good blooms, but the plant is tall and healthy. GOLDEN FREELANDER is in a big pot and bloomed like a weed in its first season last yr. MONDIALE is also in a pot and grows to waaay over 6ft. Blooms aren't quite as frequent, but they last forever. FANTASIA is the only one that hasn't bloomed that great. But it grows very tall just like the rest of them. They are all very sturdy, stout plants that tend to grow bolt upright. Got SAFARI last yr and it's a little shorter for its first season, but the blooms were gorgeous!
    I have some more coming from Palatine next week. LAGUNA, CHARMANT, BONANZA and BEVERLY. And I recently received from Pickering CHERRY FREELANDER. I'm not going to do anything different than my usual planting. If they don't do that well, I may try cutting the stems and bringing them inside instead of leaving them on the bush. That might encourage more branching and more blooms.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I would definitely suggest following these instructions if you do have issues with Freelander roses as I did. Mine were definitley very poor performers and I would have tried anything first before shovel pruning them and wasting $60 getting them here.
    If what you are doing so far works, far be it from me to tell you to change it, but I am not a novice grower and I had terrible luck with mine. That growing straight up note is just what my Masquerade did and I had no blooms to speak of on mine. If this method makes them produce laterals I will certainly try it. Even if yours are doing okay, if you have the time to just experiment with one of them next year and see for yourself if there is a difference and let us all know how it worked for you.
    John

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    It could be the difference in climate--in climates with real winters is is possible that the bush may never get enough foliage to produce blooms without compromising the plant. Winter die back will do this. Early disbudding may also help with stingy bloomers like Radiant Perfume. Ours seemed to perform better than what I've heard, perhaps because high winds snapped off a lot of early blooms.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    ***During heavy flower production all the weak growth will be retained and pinned down horizontally to stay active in photosynthesis. All good strong shoots will then be retained and the flowers harvested.***

    To those of you who plan to do the horizontal pinning: Please get back to us at the end of the season & let us know (1) how that technique worked for you, and (2) if thenceforth horizontal pinning (Hybrid Tea pegging?) will be an indispensable part of your rose gardening regimen.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Sorry Terry, I don't have Laguna yet, but I'm getting it this spring. I've got Ice Girl, Countess Sonja, and Queen of Hearts. Countess Sonja and Queen of Hearts both do very well for me and are fairly short plants that are almost always covered in blooms. Ice Girl is much taller, but I still get a good amount of blooms from it. I've been a bit disappointed in Ice Girl because I don't get much of a scent from it. Countess Sonja is one of my favorite roses because the blooms last so long even when left on the bush so there's always some color on it. My spring order is for Laguna, Antique Caramel Freelander, and Bonanza (plus a few non-freelanders).

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    New to me last year, but so far Laguna is very nice - lots of bloom and grows more like a shrubby climber. I don't have a full plant shot, but here is a close up of flower spray.
    Laguna
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