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Will different rootstock make a difference with these Austins?

18 years ago

I have never had success with either Pat Austin or Jude the Obscure in my area (San Francisco Bay Area). Both lack vigor and disease resistance in my garden. I have tried grafted plants of both varieties from David Austin and also an own-root Jude the Obscure neither with much success. Someone told me that I might try purchasing plants from Canada where they use a different grafted rootstock and it might make a difference in my area. He told me that sometimes disease resistance can be affected by the rootstock. I have heard of this argument regarding vigor, but not disease resistance. Most of my other Austins have done fine in my garden with the grafted plants from American nurseries (my luck with own-root Austins seems to vary with the varieties-some have done well on their own roots, and others haven't).

I would like to grow these two varieties, so I am just wondering if this seems like something reasonable to try.

Comments (10)

  • 18 years ago

    I've seen Pat Austin growing like a house afire, up in the Sierra Foothills, on Hwy 49. Maybe it likes a colder winter?

    Generally speaking, Huey is a good rootstock for California -- better here than Multiflora. I'd check your pH before wading into Multiflora, as it really needs a nice acidic soil.

    FWIW, the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden generally uses Manetti.

    Jeri

  • 18 years ago

    Perhaps an increased vigor on a plant may make it more capable of defending itself against diseases.

    Robert

  • 18 years ago

    I have never had any reason to believe that rootstock has any effect at all on disease resistance. On the other hand, it can affect plant performance. While I am normally a great advocate of Fortuniana as a stock in our area, 'Graham Thomas' grows as a gigantic, once-flowering monster on that stock. If I grow it on Huey, it is a big but manageable bush which repeats frequently.

  • 18 years ago

    Dr. Huey is a good rootstock for highly alkaline soil, as far as I know, that's why it is preferred in southern California.
    But California is a big state and in the north, in the San Francisco area the soil is very acidic. For example Cass mentioned that her soil pH was somewhere in the 5.5 range. I am not sure that Dr. Huey rootstock is a great success in that region/soil.

  • 18 years ago

    Can someone please tell me what rootstock is used by the Austin roses that are ordered from England and are grown in Texas? Since I live in Southern California I suppose I should hope it's Dr. Huey.

    Thanks.

    Ingrid

  • 18 years ago

    Ingrid, you mean when you order directly from Austin in the US? Dr. Huey.

  • 18 years ago

    Yes, that was what I meant, Diane, although I didn't put it very well. Thank you for your answer. That's good to know.

    Ingrid

  • 18 years ago

    Well I live in the bay area and my clay soil is around 7.0, just a bit on the alkaline side (although, I need to test it again because I added nusury soil and tons of compost).

    So how many rootstock choices are there? As I ordered mine from D Austin in Tyler Texas, I wonder if it is the best choice or if own root is better?

  • 18 years ago

    It probably depends upon the individual cultivar.
    I've wondered if some of the roses that were Jolly Green Giants here on Multiflora and on Huey might have been better plants on their own roots.

    Jeri

  • 18 years ago

    How long have you had those roses? In my experience it has always taken 3 years to get either of those to decent size, and until that point they're pretty weak. I'm fairly certain all the DA roses in the US are on Dr. Huey, also, they're not grown in Texas even though their offices are there, they're grown in Arizona.

    --Ron