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Seeking Advice on Stone Wall/Border

20 years ago

Hi,

(I've provided links to pictures at the bottom of the post)

I'd like to get some advice on a wall (perhaps 'border' is a more appropriate word?) that I propose to create on my 1.3 acre lot. Essentially, I want it to serve two purposes:

1. Seperate that portion of the lot that will be lawn from that which will be left wild (at least for the time being: I may eventually plant more desirable plants that are more appealing then the native species). The wall/border will eventually be hundreds of feet long, and will wind around quite a bit

2. Aesthtic Pleasure: I want the wall/border to be nice to look at (of course).

3. I want it to be able to stand up to the occasional bump from my Garden Tractor/mower.

I'm not averse to a large project, one that might even take a few years to complete, if the payoff would be worthwhile. Money is not an object, especially if I get involved with something that will take a few years to complete. (although I can't afford to hire someone else to do the job). I'm the son of a bricklayer, and carried hod when I was a kid out of High School, so I'm familar with stone work, but I'm far from an expert. However, I'm confident that I can quickly learn the skills neccesary to build simple walls, and I do have good aesthetic sensibility. I'm also watching DIY and similar channels (I reccommend "Rock Solid", BTW, which is on DIY, I think: my Tivo records it automatically). I've also bought quite a few books. I have no illusions about the amount of time and work it might take to build a proper stacked stone wall.

I do not want a 'formal' wall, one made up of equally sized blocks from Lowes or HD. If I create something other than a simple border I'd prefer that it be stacked stone.

One thing to consider about the lot: it does gently slope, so if I built something more substabtial than a simple stone border I'd have to determine how best to account for the slope in the stone (let the wall slope with the lot, or create 'steps' in the wall).

I'd also like to use whatever method I pick to create planters around some grouped trees in the front of the house.

So, based on the photos below, what would you reccommed? I like the border, but it's certainly not anything to be proud of. BTW, I've just set the stones a bit to see what they'd look like: if I actually used this method I'd bury them deeper.

If I created something with a stacked stone look to it I presume that it would have to be a free-standing wall (due to the shallow grade of the lot) rather than a terracing (or can both types be aesthetically accomodated in one wall?).

I like walls with flat, paver-like stone, but perhaps something else would be preferrable?

How high would you build it? I'd prefer to keep it relatively low: I think a high wall might be overpowering.

How would you deal with the grade? Allow the wall to follow it naturally or create 'steps' occasionally, keeping the top of the wall flat.

One advantage to creating a wall, rather than a border: while laying the foundation I might be able to create some sort of footing (concrete or stone or both) that would extend beyond the edge of the wall and prevent grass growing up against the wall, thus eliminating the need to weekeat.

Finally, what do you think of the border pictured in the links below? Is it to be avoided at all costs?

Note that in the "Example of Lot" photos the wall/border will be laid in front of the tree line at the edge of the (rough) lawn.








Many thanks,

Frank

Comments (3)

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Hi Frank,

    I'm not an expert at all, but I like doing my own work like you do. I made a small retaining wall this summer out of rocks like the ones you have in you current trial boarder. Although I love rocks, I don't like them used as a border like you have in your pictures. I don't think they look very good, and they'd be a pain to mow next to because you'd have to use a string trimmer along the whole thing.

    I like walls better, but I'm not sure how a wall would look if it was that long and wasn't a retaining wall. I think it might look really busy if it was that long. In my own yard, which is sort of like yours, I don't have any boarder. If I did have a boarder, it would just be plastic edging.

    Rob

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  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Juggler's response makes me realize that I was assuming that if you made it a wall you would be grading the slope so that it would be a retaining wall. Nothing wrong with a free-standing wall, really, but some people might consider it odd to have one within your property. My concern with such a wall would be that if you eventually decided on a different use for that part of the property, the wall is tough to move.

    Visually, my first thought is that I would want to see bigger rocks in that setting, since the space is so big, or a substantial wall.

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I love stone walls. Go to Ireland, they are EVERYWHERE, and they always look great.

    Regarding slope, I think you are better off with small steps, rather than trying to slope your wall. In books I've read, they suggest small steps are more stable than a downward sloping wall. Of course, it all depends on what kind of stone you are using, and the degree of slope.

    You should be able to use a wall as both freestanding and as a small retaining wall. Retaining walls may be somewhat easier to build, because you only need to worry about what one wall face looks like, rather than two.

    I would also keep the wall low, 2 feet high is big enough to look substantial, and a comfortable height for sitting on.

    I suggest going to the library or a bookstore and look through lots of stone books to try to find a photo of what you are trying to do, with the kind of rocks you have available. I find just having a picture that's close to what I'm trying to do helps me so much in visualizing the end result on MY property. Another thing is to print off pictures of your landscape and draw pictures of the wall you want right on the pictures. It also really helps to visualize the final result.

    Good luck! You are ambitious!