Hey Carla...

I have Paul Neyron in a pot only because when I got it he was teeny and I thought a pot was the best spot for him. And I never moved him into the ground....it is a big pot with a small trellis for support. I've never seen any dieback but I am a bit farther south than you are and probably a lower elevation. He's got bunches of blooms on him right now. I can't wait until they open.

I think I got my Paul Neyron at Roses Unlimited. And to be honest since he's done so well for me I've bought other HP's.

Carole

I wish I could smell your Paul. I'm glad he's done well for you. How old is it?

Carla

Carla, my Paul Neyron does fine in the ground, and is very easy to root new plants from a cutting. But he did even better before I put him in the ground. I had him in a large container for a while and he seemed extra happy there and got less blackspot. This may not be typical, but is my experience.

Randy

I love Paul but wish he repeated more. Mine is about 6 feet tall and finally holds his head up without any support. One thing for sure, I've never seen blooms so large on any rose. Even to my defective sniffer he smells wonderful. I've never grown him in a pot but he seems pretty happy in the ground.

Randy, I think this is another you enabled me into. You were not alone in Paul but you worked on your own with Thomas Afleck, which I now have. Maybe I will give it more time, after all I've lived with some for a while before the shovel.
Hamp, thank you for the details. I hope you or Randy will show us your Paul Neyrons.

Carla

Carla...

I'm thinking that I got my Paul the summer before last. It was nothing more than a rooted cutting at the time.

Carole

I ordered mine as a band a year ago. Even in its first year, he put up some marvelous blooms like this:

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I love this rose.

He has big buds on him now, so I'll post a picture when he blooms the first time this year.

Old Blush, The key to getting Paul to rebloom (learned from Diann Giles, years ago) is to cut it back hard after it blooms. Not just light dead-heading -- go back to knee- to waist-height. In 6 weeks he'll be covered with flowers again. You can do this as many times as your warm season allows.
Malcolm

Robert, what a beautiful shot of Paul. Thanks so much.
Randy, I see you are not defending your enabling one little bit.
Thanks everyone.

Carla

Carla, nope, I'm not defending it. I may have led you astray on this one. I've found the HP's to be highly personal ... people will love em or hate em. Take Reine des Violettes. I know that rose is not for everyone, but as for me, I totally love it. It has 100% of the qualities I look for in a rose. Everyone has their own unique set of qualities for which they are looking :-)

Randy

Ohhhhhh, yes, Reine. I now have that one too. Another Randy deal. I don't blame you Randy, not at all. You didn't make me get roses. I predict I will love Reine.

Carla

Now that rose is a different story, Carla ... if you ever decide you don't like your Reine des Violettes and shovel prune it ... don't tell me. Lie to me. Tell me you love it, even as you are secretly ditching it. Can you tell I REALLY like RdV?

Randy

So, according to what Malcolm said since I just did my spring pruning on Paul Neyron and had to cut him back to knee height (which was amazing to me that he had that much green cane after a zone 4 winter!) I should expect him to be absolutely weighted down in blooms at the end of June, right? This is his second year here and I can't wait! :-)

I wanted to thank Malcolm for that bit of advise for the care of Paul Neyron. Mine is covered with buds at the moment but once they're done I'll hack and slash! I'd love to keep him blooming. Does that work for other HP's?

Carole

Oh Randall, it's not Paul Neyron that is sticks, it's Thomas Afleck. Paul has buds and he's tiny! Can you imagine those bodacious blooms on a tiny plant. I fear Thomas only likes TX.
Carole, good luck with the pruning.
It's always appreciated when someone helps us with pruning the not so typical roses.
I haven't pruned my mosses out of fear but they are not too old to train.

Carla

Following advice given, the first single bloom on Paul Neyron got cut back severely. The other tall cane has since bloomed with one huge rose and three buds around it that are opening a deeper raspberry color . The petals look just like peachskin fabric . Even after the petals fall, it leaves a beautiful big green star. Though the first Earth Angel bloom was a thrill, and Madame Anisette has far exceeded my expectations, Paul Neyron is most captivating.

Monsieur Neyron got Rust and Blackspot so badly here that i removed him. He is not missed.

Corvallis, OR, Willamette Valley, USDA 8b

Wow, those ARE huge blooms! I read the entire thread above, and came away wishing that everyone would include their climate zones (and some hint as to location, so the humid/dry summer issue can be guessed at) in their name on here. I finally figured out that this rose will grow in colder climates, and varies a LOT in how it does in different places. So glad that most of us have come to the realization that that is true (the different places part, not the cold climate part) about most roses. That makes it even more important for posters on here to let people know what kind of climate they garden in - gives a clue as to which roses will do well where the reader is. I only have one or possibly 2 HPs in my garden (inherited from the ancestors - one is still a mystery), and they do OK, but not as vigorous as my more truly warm weather lovers.

So please share your growing conditions/climate when you can, so that folks don't have to constantly inquire (or already know, because they are familiar with the poster - that works, but only for the initiated).

Jackie

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. I'm not sure why I try things against the odds, but a few things do work out well.

jacqueline9CA - Post Falls Idaho is 6b but here seems more like 5 ; bitter winter, monsoon rains for months, and 100 degree summers.

My tiny apartment flower beds on the North side of the building, are slightly larger than two cemetery plots with the crummiest dirt imaginable. Over 9 years i added various store bought bagged topsoil and organic potting mix . Also coffee grounds and kitchen scraps . This is the first year I planted with blood meal, bone meal, and Espoma Plant Tone - the store was out of rose tone... And I pray.

If you see this, Paul Barden I owe so much to you for introducing me to old roses through Old Garden Roses and Beyond. Overnight I became fanatical, learning from you what most people will never see. Just as I'm beginning to understand, I am old and battle worn .

Recently I ran across a youtube video with a remarkable Paul Neyron example that led to my decision.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=paul+neyron+youtube&view by Jeffcatbuckeye

Certainly one of the closest to thornless roses I could ever hope to find, it's nothing short of a miracle Paul Neyron likes my no spray garden. I dare say he is as healthy at the moment as the two Kordes roses he camps by.

So far my Paul is doing okay in the wet PNW. He was horrible in the spring with rain everyday. Sometimes my sandy glacial scab soil makes a difference in rose growing, so we will see if it does for him.

Ann, this is the only rose I'm willing to fight hard for, because the canes are so wonderfully bare of thorns. If your rose is new, you have probably found it true with other roses they sometimes adapt and build up an immunity to disease just as we do. I've seen terribly sick roses live to overcome in the second year. Hopefully that will be the case the longer we have our Paul Neyrons.

Spring here in North Idaho was cold and rainy too for months on end. My baby Paul Neyron from High Country got off to a rough start. Even Bliss showed some rust. I had to watch daily, taking more rusty leaves off until finally the dry sunny weather cured them. Next Spring is sure to be another battle. I'm going to take more surrounding plants out to give Paul and the other roses plenty of room to breathe. He has good closest friends- the healthy Kordes.

My new gardening strategy is opposite from the way it began; I wanted all of the fanciest plants i could find and pack in. Now I have greatly downscaled to take care of a few prized plants.

It was a shock to my system to take out 8 David Austins with canker , and start over with bare ground. This old dog is learning new tricks to be much happier with my new roses. If ever they become too sickly, I've learned to let go. I hope I'll always be able to hold on to this one as long as I can still garden.