so i've read all of your posts. and Tabor made me a compost, he is my 12 yr old son. Today he wanted to go somewhere and i told him he had to empty the barrels, 1 was full of manuer that we had gotten last year for gardening. they are digging it out and low and behold what do ya think they see?? HUGE worms, these things are not like the normal huge worms, he's calling for me, and i'm kinda freaking cuz of how he sounds!!! and here it is that he's all happy about these huge big fat worms!!!! i've never seen them so fat in my life!! they looked like small snakes. anyhow i thought i'd just pass that along. LOL now i'm really a believer!!! LOL **big grinn**