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WS long tap root veggies - method & supplies

18 years ago

Hi folks,

Just returned from the Home Depot. I have a bad habit of striking up conversations with total strangers. Today that habit yielded some great information. The lady I was talking to today does not WS but she early sows many things inside. She was told that many things will bolt if transplanted and she swears she never has had one plant bolt using this method.

She uses 1.5 - 2 inch PVC pipe OR plastic lined 9 inch paint rollers. She scavenges or buys a length of PVC (white not grey & not black) and cuts it into 5 inch lengths. If she is using a 9 inch paint roller she cuts it in half. She fills these tubes with sterile seeding mix the kind that come in the smaller bags and specifically marked for starting seeds. She fills the tubes with mix and stands them up in a dish pan. She sows the seed on top & covers the dish pan with another same size dish pan and uses clothes pins to keep them together. She told me that she keeps the set-up in a warm room with no special lighting. Bottom watering when necessary. She then keeps watch over the set-up until she has sprouts and when she has sprouts she puts the entire set-up (top removed) under her inside grow lights. I asked her what veggies she does this for and she said Florence fennel, parsnips and some others which I do not remember now. When the plants have 1 set of true leaves she sets them out in her garden under water bottle cloches. Must be careful not to disturb the long root ball as this is supposedly what causes bolting. She uses a spare piece of tubing to make a perfect hole in the ground for planting. She said she uses the 16 or 20 oz water bottles depending on what she can get from the trash where she works. She leaves the plants under the cloches until it gets 2-3 true leaves or until outside temp gets too warm for cloche. She also said this procedure prevents/reduces some insect and disease damage.

She told me she gets the paint rollers from the dollar store 3 to a pack = 6 planting tubes. (Make sure the paint rollers are lined with plastic inside NOT hard paper) She said she gets the PVC pipe from HD or construction sites. Just walks right up and asks if they have any pipe they are throwing out. I love a fellow dumpster diver!!

I know there are some chemical issues with PVC and if you are concerned with that you could always line the inside of your pipe/roller with a quart size ziplock bag and fill the bag with soil - using the pipe/roller for support for that long tap root.

Just thought I would pass this along as I have read several postings here about folks using toilet paper rolls to WS. Now I am off to Dollar Store to get paint rollers for my Florence fennel. DH and I are going dumpster diving this weekend there are a few new neighborhoods being built not too far from here. He does not know it yet ;-)

Happy planting!!

DL

Comments (4)

  • 18 years ago

    Ah, another dumpster diving diva, LOL
    Her method sounds interesting, but I'll bet she could do the same thing by Winter Sowing using the PVC pipes, perhaps longer than 5 inches though, by standing them up in a milk crate or something like that. I'm sitting here looking at a pile of 20oz. water bottles and although I've never tried WS in them, this year I've got them and gonna give them a try. I have two cases of these in the garage, and will be drinking a few a day. If you see this woman again, keep us updated on her and your progress.
    Alberta

  • 18 years ago

    I once observed a reforestation effort where the tree seedlings had been started in cylinders. I don't know what material they were using but it looked like the cylinders from inside toilet paper - my toilet paper cylinders will not work, they unravel when wet - anyway, they had tens of thousands of these things. One person would poke a hole in the soil, a second would drop a cylinder with a seedling in the hole, and that was about it.

    The whole purpose of the above paragraph was to share that growing seedling in cylinders has been done on a large scale at someplace and at some time an is worthy of consideration.

  • 18 years ago

    I've wintersown and transplanted flowers with taproots with no problem. I don't use cylinders or separate containers, they're just sown into a jug of potting mix like everything else. They trick is to plant out early before the taproot has much chance to form. It works great.

    Karen

  • 18 years ago

    Karen,
    How right you are -but- as you state "the trick" and if you are not able to do this a cylinder type planter could be the difference between success and failure. Disclaimer: I am a veggie gardener and know nothing of flowers. I must say however that if that pipe/paint roller makes the difference in me having fennel bulbs -or- just fennel seeds when the plant bolts - I gotta go with the tubes :-)) I am planting the Florence Fennel for the bulbs not for the seeds.

    albertar,
    The lady I was talking to puts 20+ pipes/paint rollers in her dish pan so I don't think she would get enough bang for her buck if using milk cartons. I did introduce the idea of WS to her and she looked at me like I had 2 heads. I calmly gave her the URL for Garden Web and told her to look up the WinterSow.org for further info. Her look changed after getting this info. Perhaps we will see her here before long.

    albert_135,
    I saw a PBS documentary years ago and I do remember them planting trees in some type of tube. They were reforesting a strip mining area. Never thought of it again until you mentioned it above.

    DL

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