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Trim off brown ends???

17 years ago

I had posted before about my Ramblin' Red. It still is looking the same and I'm still watering and praying, but now some of the ends are turning brown colored. Should I chance pruning just under these? Or leave alone? I haven't done anything yet but I am worried that the rose will not survive either way. In addition I have been doing the sea tea but it also is supposed to rain for the next couple of days, so I will have to wait on more sea tea for a bit.

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Comments (9)

  • 17 years ago

    Hi, Kentstar! I'm hoping your red starter stems will get larger... and am sending hopes, recovery and health for your rose... I am also wondering how Ritug is doing as well, noticed that you both have been online...

    The only thing that others didn't want you to do was to cut off any leaves, but to let them fall away by themselves... if you trim any! part of the stem, be sure that you never trim close to any of those pink parts or any tiny bulge of pink, just breaking out from the stems, those are actually brand new growth... And you have to be absolutely sure to immediately seal off those trimmed edges with Elmer's All-Purpose glue...otherwise insects will attack new cuts...

    Can you post pics of the latest photo so we can see exactly where those brown ends are? Even before it rains you can still apply sea tea... Just increase the frequency to once every 5 days instead of once every 7 days...what happens is that the sea tea still gets absorbed even if it rains afterwards...It's only if you apply during the rain that you sort of waste the sea tea... It may seem horrific to see just bare stem and no leaves but as long as your stems are green and you have the same pink protrusions, KEEP THAT SOIL MOIST and your rose should recover...

    Apply the sea tea right away, otherwise the longer you wait and the more infrequently you give the sea tea, the longer it takes a baby rose to recover...

    Hugs to you and Ritug and hope those new buds will flourish!
    Mine was a single raw stem just a few days after I received it in the mail, but now is a big fat healthy baby band and am praying that yours will have just as happy of a result...

  • 17 years ago

    I would cut. Check if the cut section is green. If it is, that's a very good sign.
    Did you water your rose? It could be the most drought resistant rose on earth, but as long as it is a baby you will have to water it.

  • 17 years ago

    Here's the photo's serenasyh. They aren't the best as I had to kneel on the ground to get them. I did the sea tea on the 13th so I'll have to wait, it's too early by a couple of days.

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  • 17 years ago

    I would just leave it, and not overdo it on the sea tea. You don't want to "kill it with kindness". OH/Midwest in general has some of the finest soil on the planet. Let the soil feed it.

    If you get a heat wave (>80F), shade it via some shade cloth over a cylindar of wire fencing--really just anything that will shade it--to reduce stress on the plant. It looks ok, still lots of green material.

  • 17 years ago

    I went ahead and just trimmed off the brown ends being VERY careful not to cut off the pink protrusions as they are new growth. I checked the color the the stem and they are a nice green! I am glad but I hope that the brown doesn't spread down from where I cut. I did not cut off too much and made sure to bleach water my pruners between each cut and sealed with elmers glue. I also cut at about a 45 degree angle, so I hope this was right. Now, it is up to nature to do the rest and I pray she will.

  • 17 years ago

    Kentstar, this is so exciting, I saw a baby new stem and nicely shaped baby leaves on the far left stem and on the far right front stem for sure! is a new thick! pineapple baby stem that will soon erupt into baby leaves too! I saw more baby buds peeking on your new pics on the other stems... And you are also doing terrific about deciding that it is too soon to re-apply the sea tea...definitely the once a week will be fine with the super-diluted tea since you had already watered it on the 13th... Again great job in letting your own gardening instinct make the call. Kentstar once those baby leaves open up, you will soon see a 2nd new burst of baby stems...That's what happened with my sick baby band.

    The sea tea also encourages fatter fuller growth...and will send up secondary canes as well.. I've read on this forum that alfalfa compost is supposed to be the only thing which truly encourages "basal breaks" or brand new cane growth (for young own-root roses it'd be brand new stems from the roots)... Garden-ville sea tea also lists compost tea as one of its main ingredients besides the fish emulsion. My guess is that our Sea Tea's compost tea may likely be from alfalfa as well. That may explain why my baby bands are continuing to send new stem-canes and they have very! healthy dense, thick clustered foliage. Same goes for my hybrid teas, tons of basal breaks, very bushy, vigorous fullness to the foliage but also enough air flow, the best of both worlds...

    Also HoovB's suggestion about shade coverage, sounds great to me too...

    Anyway, much hugs and hope for your next pics with....35 baby leaves within 2 weeks! lol! and full fat baby rose buds in early July!

  • 17 years ago

    I do have new hope for the baby rose! I did see also the baby stems erupting! Good news, all is not lost.
    Now, if I can only get my new John Cabot doing as well. He's a whole different ball game!
    He was a bare root from Pickerings nursery. They were planted mid May and so far no growth much. One cane had a couple of leaves which have since wilted. I have been giving him the sea tea too along with my Ramblin' Red. I have hopes for him too, but I have never had to wait so long to see growth on a bareroot. The other bareroots I have planted in the past have grown like gangbusters and quickly. I can only surmise from past experience that number one: the first bareroots I planted I soaked overnight, number two: the John Cabot I planted this year I soaked for just two hours. Could be why he is struggling too. I had him planted about 6 inches deep, so I gently (hopefully) lifted him to about 1 to 2 inches deep and mounded. So we'll see about that. I did check the pith on both roses. Ramblin' Reds pith is green and good (yay!) and John Cabots is white with a small greenish ring on the outer rim. I believe that's ok, but still nothing in growth. So I will keep up the sea tea and pray for both. Thankyou so much for all your help. I really do want these two to make it. I went through A LOT of research to try to pick roses that were hardy here and disease resistant here, and it would be a shame to lose either one.
    :)

  • 17 years ago

    I am so glad we can celebrate Ramblin' Red! I can't wait to see his new pics after a few weeks...He will be amazing soon...

    and yes, John Cabot really needed to be soaked way longer than the 2 hours, they always suggest overnight (12 hours) at the very minimum....Karl, for example, soaks his up to a week; but if you keep that soil very moist it will keep the anchor roots plump and hydrated... By keeping the soil moist it is the closest thing you'll get to the pre-soak that it missed out on...

    Another thing: your John Cabot was better off planted 6" deep...6" is ideal for winter protection as Karl taught me... Grafts always need to be planted that deep to protect from bitter freezes... Then when late fall arrives, you add the extra soil around the graft in addition to the 6" burial for EXTRA winter padding. So when you get future bareroot roses do the 6" below-the-surface burial; but it's o.k, don't feel bad and no need to uproot and replant either.... things will work out...our roses can be so forgiving...just keep growing him strong, keep the soil moist, keep the sea tea diet, and he will recover...Then when winter comes you may have to add extra protection like burlap since it has a much more shallow planting than what is ideal.

    Oh, I forgot, bareroot roses don't need as watery-dilute as baby bands when they are "injured". 1TBS. per one gallon is a good mix because they already have very developed anchor roots... It only takes a week for my bareroot buds to start leafing out like crazy ...and that's when I start the gradual incremental increase.

    Kentstar, one of the happiest moments is seeing a struggling rose make its comeback... I am sure you will be celebrating! You deserve much happiness for trying so hard with your roses...

  • 17 years ago

    What I will do for the winter is not only to mound up soil around him, but I already have some fencing roll that I use for tomatoes and I will create a cage around the mound and stuff it full of leaves to help insulate to, and maybe some other insulator. I am not sure what other insulator will do the job other than leaves.
    Last spring I had planted Social Climber and Scent from Above and all I did was mound some soil around them, and they came through the winter still going pretty strong, and those roses aren't even zoned for me. So, as long as John Cabot doesn't die this year, I have every faith I can get him through winter here. We do have a lot of good snow pack usually too.
    I hope Ritug's are doing better too!