I planted Albertine August 2011. It is an extrenely vigerous h. wicheranna. It has not been remonant for me. Sometimes h. witcheranna's can have a sprinkling of blooms later during the season. As mine is young, it may be too soon to tell. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a once bloomer.
So far it is disease free...a good thing. The fragrance is mild. The spring flush was beautiful. The shape of the blooms has an almost modern look as yours do. I suspect that perhaps the witch was crossed with an early hybrid tea.
Hope I've been able to help you.
Jeannie

I've actually not tried smelling my Albertine which is done blooming now. There has been a lot of confusion between Albertine and Jean Guichard. I have two roses labled each but I'm still not sure if they are not the same.

Thank you Jeannie and Mendocino rose, Jean Guichard seems to be quartered shaped on HMF

Here is a link that might be useful: jean guichard

Valerianet

I find that rose scent is very subjective. Individual Albertine blossoms, according to my nose, have a light but delicious scent. When the whole plant explodes in bloom, the cumulative scent becomes quite strong to my nose. Madame Alfred Carriere is also touted as "very fragrant," but I find that individual blossom scent is sweet and mild. When the plant is in full flush and the weather is supportive, the scent carries. Also worth noting: soil and weather can alter fragrance as can age of the plant, time of day, and blossom stage.

Zeffyrose has a glorious Albertine and could probably offer an experienced opinion.

Albertine is officially a once bloomer and a classic, oh-so-romantic rose! A wonderful rambler.

Carol

Thank you Portlandmysteryrose, for your advices, and your idea to ask Zeffyrose

I find that many of the wichurana ramblers have only the lightest, most fugitive scent, only noticeable at certain times in the day. Leontine Gervaise, for example, smells of hardly anything and I only get the slightest fragrance from New Dawn.

Valerianet
Yes, I recommend a separate posting to get Zeffyrose's attention. Something like "For Zeffyrose and Others--Albertine Question."

Campanula
That's interesting. My nose completely agrees with yours on those two even though many refer to New Dawn as "deliciously fragrant" or some such description. I've planted New Dawn at a few locations and sniffed her under various conditions. Not much scent, in my opinion. Ditto Leontine. Albertine in full bloom, however, is scented to my nose.

Carol

thank you Campanula and Portlandmysteryrose.
My Newdawn is wonderful, but its fragance is only "light".
Have a look at this definition please: it says (in french):double flowers, slightly perfumed, look like paeonies when open.
i have sent an e-mail to Zeffirose.

Here is a link that might be useful: wikipedia albertine

This post was edited by valerianet on Sat, Jul 6, 13 at 10:10

If you are hoping to confirm the identity of your rose as 'Albertine' based on a strong fragrance, you are probably aiming for the wrong standard. Fragrance is far too subjective to measure. It is best to rely on the physical characteristics of your rose. 'Albertine', for me, is a bit more stiff when compared to other Wichurana ramblers (Alberic Barbier, Leontine Gervais, etc.) ... which tend to be more lax and flexible.

As far as fragrance is concerned, it's a challenge for me to get anything from most roses. I can smell New Dawn and some of its descendants (very distinctive New Dawn smell), Damask, some peppery Chinas, sweet Multiflora, Musky roses, and some others.

(I have also wondered if my 'Jean Guichard' and my 'Albertine' are the same rose.)

Connie

Albertine perfumes the yard and wafts into the house
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Florence

Thank you Connie, the idea of perfume is so subjective, I know that but my rose does not smell anything, so I was doubting about Albertine , but all the other descriptions are right! so I have to admit it is certainly Albertine.
thank you for the pic Zeffirose, it looks terrific in your place and if the smell is fantastic you're really lucky...Here's one more pic of mine. Oh , and it is very stiff, that's true, and thorned too

I've been told this is an albertine but it has no smell or could it be new dawn? Please help me.

@fig_insanity Z7a E TN here are some photos. I would love it if you could name this rose as it was wrongly named at the garden centre.

Janie, I can't ID your rose off the top of my head, but I CAN tell you it is definitely NOT New Dawn or Albertine. The flower form and foliage is wrong for both. The bloom color is wrong for Albertine, is too dark for ND, and it's doubtful Albertine would be blooming that magnificently at that size, since it blooms on last year's growth. It strikes me as a much more modern rose.

Your rose does look very familiar, but I don't think it's one I've grown personally. If you don't get any more responses, re-post your photos in a new thread with a title like "Please help me ID this rose". I can almost guarantee someone here has or is growing it and can ID it for you...although, pink roses are the hardest. There are just so many (gazillions!) of them. You might want to add a photo of the thorns, and a close up of a bud.

Whatever your rose is, it's lovely. And assuming it really IS a climber, it's going to be a prize, regardless of its name.

@fig_insanity Z7a E TN thanks I've put up a post and followed your advice and added more photos.