How interesting Jeri. Just a bit earlier I had been looking at this very same rose under the name of Lady Mary Fitzwilliam and was trying to decide between it and Lady Alice Stanley. Lady Alice won out and I'm ordering it instead of Leveson-Gower, which was on the last autumn list, since I already have two of LG. Anyone who wanted LG will now get another chance at it. The pictures of Lady Alice were so beautiful, although Lady Mary is equally so and I had a difficult time deciding which one to choose.

Ingrid

I was at once attracted to a large plant of 'Whittle-Byer' at the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden and made a bee-line to it,
I was impressed with its'
-huge flowers, having far larger blossoms than a typical Tea or H.T. bloom from the 1800's.
-very good petal substance.
-nice fragrance.

I was intrigued by its' atypical growth habit for a Tea-Hybrid. The plant had thickish lateral limbs, that showed somewhat long lengths of bare cane that I've never seen on a Tea class rosebush. I find this plant to be very interesting and often thought of adding it to my garden. Most of my roses are those of the Tea class, but I would like some roses that last longer as cut flowers, and Whittle-Byer has more petal substance that may make a rose bloom last longer in the vase.
The floriferousness of the plant shows strong Tea influence in my opinion, though the foliage leans a bit more to the H.T. class. I believe it's a really uncommon type of Tea-Hybrid; The plant I saw was more than 8 feet tall by more than 5 feet wide. It produced a great quantity of large sensual pink blooms, with the heaviness of blossom that one might attribute to it having an H.P. ancestor.

Wow! Whittle-Byer, I sure would like to see more of you!

Lux.

Where's the pic, Jeri? You know I love your photos.

Try this. I did attach this, but it did not pick it up.
:-(

Jeri

I think, Lux, this is WELL worth growing. Cuttings we took missed, but I intend to try again. (I know where there's another one. )

Jeri

Thank you for posting this info, Jeri. There were quite a few on the list that I wasn't able to find (Dr. Kelley, Baretta Street Boubon, Spring Street Peppermint CL). I'm really tempted by the Boubons and HPs. I love the fact that they aren't commonly found and may not be available again for some time. I'm considering adding a couple sight unseen from either the bourbon or HP classes.

Tammy

Jeri, if you upload your image, preview and edit the post (which requires previewing the post a second time), you have to upload your image a second time as editing the post drops the uploaded image. If you preview and post with no further editing, the image travels with your post. Kim

Spring street Peppermint is a rambler, collected from a decaying house in Nevada City, CA, where it was spotted on a Gold Coast HRG Rose Rustle. The blooms are fluffy little pink rosettes which, when collected, were half-white. They looked like old-fashioned homemade Peppermint drops, and so, I named it.

Dr. Kelly, I THINK came from an old cemetery. I need to check pix, but it, too, is in the Sacramento Cemetery, now.

Baretta ST. Bourbon, I have info on, which I'll post tomorrow.

Some of these roses are very rare treasures.

Jeri

Thank you for the info Jeri. Some of these roses are very exciting! I got up at 3am to submit my order just after midnight your time. I may add to it after I do a bit more digging for info :)

Spring Street Peppermint is a rambler very much in the mold of Dorothy Perkins, and I don't use the word "mold" casually. It does indeed mildew for us in the Sacramento cemetery, where it is grown with maximum air circulation. Occasionally the blooms get that stripey look which prompted its name, but it's not the norm. It's an extremely vigorous wichurana with canes that fan out when they touch the ground and would tip-root in a heartbeat. We cut it back to three or four canes in winter pruning just to keep it in place, since it's only allotted a 20-ft span of wrought iron fence which is above a sidewalk, and we don't want to endanger people passing by. So, overall, not my favorite rose... I'd grow the 'Peggy Martin Rose' if I wanted a pink rambler, with the added bonus that it repeats.

Dr. Kelly has been IDd as Paul Neyron. At one time we thought it was a more rust-resistant version but we had rust aplenty on it last year when conditions really prompted a lot of fungal disease. It's a strong survivor, that's for sure - I just saw it in its original collection site, under dreadful conditions of no water and growing through a crevice between the headstone and curb surrounding the plot, and it looked surprisingly good.

Baretta St. Bourbon has been called by Fred Boutin a "double Gloire des Rosomanes." That is high praise in California, where GdR blooms early and late in the season, and quite a bit throughout the summer, and has some problems with powdery mildew but not a lot. I wonder if it blackspots where people have problems with it - we don't. It's fragrant and quite a nice rose.
Anita