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Roses for kitchen garden

16 years ago

I need a really great rugosa or Canadian hardy rose, for my kitchen garden. It needs to be hardy to zone 3, not terribly thorny (don't mind thorns, but don't want to be attacked LOL) and either red or dark pink.

The colors in this garden are all bright, cheerful colors, since it's an area for me and the nieces and nephews. The roses will be one in each corner, with butterfly bushes, perennial sunflowers, catmint, daisies, bee balm, coneflowers, etc. Lots of reds, golds, yellows, oranges, dark pinks, purples, blues, and a little white. I really want the colors to pop, since the veggies are mostly green. I like to mix herbs, fruit, veggies and flowers all together, so it's a great place to be in. It's also my best view of the property :)

I am planning to add a 3' fence around the garden, probably wire, so it won't block the view. It won't keep the deer out, but it will make it harder for them to eat "through" the garden. Usually, if the roses are against something, with other flowers and herbs in front, the deer leave them alone. They haven't touched my roses, since I moved them against the arbor.

Obviously, this is a work in progress (ignore overgrown front beds) but you get the general idea of the layout.

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Here'a picture of the arbor, with the roses and herbs. Purple and white clematis are growing up the posts. Sorry it's already frosted, but you get the idea :)

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The arches in the middle, will have four beds (like a potager) with the birdbath in the middle. I'm also planning to add a hopscotch and maybe a tic tac toe. Fun and gardening all mixed together. Hopefully the kids will enjoy playing in the garden...and gardening, too!

Comments (15)

  • 16 years ago

    I've just been admiring your beautiful garden. Do not apologize for any of it as it is a work in progress labor of love.
    Surprisingly your arbor with the two benches...well I have the same one. Just bought it from Freddie Meyer. Right now its in the barn. This is my idea of what I'm going to do with it. In the middle behind each seat I plan to plant climbing SDML. At each corner one of her offspring of wild bourbons. Cornelisen, Souv. de St Anne, Capt Dayel and SDLM Rouge. I'm sure I've slaughtered the spelling of each. I dont know if the bourbons work in your area. Sure a hoot that we have the same arbor. Will also plant some Morning Glory seeds to quickly fill in till the Bourbons get a move on.
    Jeannie

  • 16 years ago

    How about the wonderful Morden Blush! Hardy to zone 2B great spring flush beautiful form & variations. Good repeat. A modern with a true OGR appearance. Delicate blooms and a very sturdy bush
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  • 16 years ago

    Sorry all the Mordens Morden Ruby if you can find it is a gem the only 1 I grow is Morden Blush.

  • 16 years ago

    The Candian rugosa Louise Bugnet is the first choice in similar zones in Sweden. Almost thornless, scented, white flowers with red buds, flowers all summer, hardy to zone 2b.

  • 16 years ago

    I read carelessly, didn't notice you wanted a red or pink rose. But please put Louise Bugnet somewhere else if you don't already have it!

  • 16 years ago

    You could go with the Apothacary's Rose, which is a very traditional kitchen garden rose; it's a hardy Gallica, tho. Frau Dagmar Hastrup is a low-growing, very fragrant, hip-producing Rugosa. Like most rugosas, she does sucker some, but I find her quite manageable.

  • 16 years ago

    Conditorum, the Tidbit Rose, would also be suitable for a kitchen garden. Mine's in the herb garden. It's a typical gallica and looks like a very double Apothecary Rose. Quoting HMF: "Probably came to Hungary from Anatolia with the confectioners of the Ottoman Empire in the early 16th century." I find such remarks irresistible.

    If you don't plant to use it in the kitchen it's one of the best roses for potpourri as the petals smell stronger after drying.

  • 16 years ago

    Apothecary's Rose would be a very traditional choice. As a gallica, it is cold hardy. Could you find room for two roses? You could also plant Dart's Dash, an excellent, fragrant, and reblooming rose. It is of moderate height, maybe three to three and a half feet. Do remember that own root rugosas and gallicas both spread by meandering through the garden. You can control this, and even root suckers to share with friends. Dart's Dash blooms in that rich magenta found in many rugosas. It makes lovely huge hips and has the fragrance of cloves, perfect for a kitchen garden. The leaves turn a brilliant gold in the fall. I live in a warm climate and have an alkaline soil that make growing rugosas difficult. Despite this I grow two, and Dart's Dash is my favorite.

    Rosefolly

  • 16 years ago

    a shout out for wild roses such as R.pendulina,R.nutkana, R.acicularis - you have blossom, foliage, heps and structure as well as health and vigour.

  • 16 years ago

    Jeannie- The arbors and the arches are all from Fred Meyer. I buy a lot of my garden things there, since the store nearest me has really friendly people and a great return policy :)

    Thank you all for the great recommendations.

    Labrea- Beautiful rose! More of a light pink than I want in this area, but would work really well in any of my other garden spaces.

    I've thought about apothecary rose, but really want a rebloomer, since the kids will be out more in the later summer (after school is out).

    I did have John Cabot roses in each corner, but recently moved them to other areas of the garden. I don't have my fence in yet and they were getting eaten too much be the deer.

    Does anyone grow Alexander MacKenzie? It's supposed to be a reblooming red rose, hardy to zone 2. I have so much pink in other parts of the garden (especially the fairy garden) that I'd like to have something the nephews will enjoy.

    One of the nephews really wants to grow some red roses, but so many are zone 5...and I don't think they'd survive out there in the wind, with no protection.

  • 16 years ago

    Yes when I re read that you wanted a deeper pink thats when I thought of Morden Ruby which often looks like a medium red camellia and it's hardy to zone 3

  • 16 years ago

    Labrea- If I can find some space, I want to get a couple of the Morden Blush for the fairy garden. They'd be perfect :)

    The Morden Ruby sounds like a possibility for the kitchen garden. I'll have to see if I can find some pictures.

  • 16 years ago

    Morden Ruby

    Here is a link that might be useful: Morden Ruby

  • 16 years ago

    A thornless Rugosa? Does such a thing exist? Oh and don't forget the hips. She'll want rose hips for tea and jam. Rugosas are the best for hips because of the very high vitamin C content (the highest among the rose classes). Please note that not all Hybrid Rugosas produce hips. Many are downright sterile. My favorite rose for a kitchen garden is FRU DAGMAR HASTRUP. Yes, she IS thorny but the bush isn't a monster, disease resistance is fabulous, pretty fragrant flowers, good repeat bloom, produces hips, and has lovely autumn foliage.

    Image of FDH by Juliet at Hortiplex

  • 16 years ago

    We have Fru Dagmar and Dart's Dash a the the corners of a bed by our kitchen stairs and they make a nicely matched pair. They are my only roses not on their own roots so that the don't sucker. The children love the hips and learn very quickly to avoid the thorns. Therese Bugnet is a thornless rugosa but probably to large for you. For outstanding coulour Cuthburt Grant can't be beat but Winnipeg Parks is almost as red and has more bloom. Alika is a very hardy gallica and really lights up the garden for the time it is in bloom but you will have to restrain its spreading. I had Alexander MacKenzie but gave it away, It died back to the ground each winter and then never put on a real show. Also to my eye its red didn't go well with the other colours around it.
    Leo