You can ask to have yours grafted. I can think of Burling in particular, or Roses of Yesterday. It shouldn't be expensive.

Masha

Many years ago when I first started to grow roses Crimson Glory HT was one of my first.

It was a glorious deep red with a wonderful fragrance-

I'm not familiar with the climber but I wish you luck in your quest.

Florence

Sorry, I do not, but I have a question - could you explain exactly what you mean by "not very vigorous"? The reason I ask is that I am in heat zone 9, Sunset zone 15, which is almost the same climate as yours. I have a Cl. Crimson Glory on its own roots which I rooted myself from a very old plant in our neighborhood (it was climbing 20 feet up a pine tree in the yard of an empty old cottage which was eventually torn down and replaced by a parking lot). I originally trained it around and around a 6 foot high rose folly. Then it leaped over to a rose arch that was intended for my huge Sombreuil, and now the red rose and the white rose are happily growing up that arch - reminds me of Alice in Wonderland. The Cl. Crimson Glory puts out long canes in all directions all of the time. I would consider it "vigorous". It is also very healthy.

So, I was thinking - perhaps the problem you had with the first two was not that they were not grafted, but that they were weak clones in the first place - just a thought.

Jackie

Indeed that may be the problem. I've tried two different clones from two different reputable sources with the same feeble result. I have yet to see either grow higher than my knee. And yes, they are supposed to be the climbing version!

What to share some cuttings?

Rosefolly

Sure. I just sent you an email.

Jackie

Rosefolly,

How long are you giving your own root roses to mature? Most need at least three years to really start going.

Patrick

Jackie, I have been trying to respond but with no luck. I sent you an email last night. Thanks!

Thank you, Florence. You always have something encouraging to say. Roses do make wonderful memories, don't they? I am being inspired by the amazing Cl CG that grows on the side of the house Jon of Wessex lives in. Until I saw it, I believed that Cl CG was only the puny thing we generally see here.

Masha, if all else fails, I will do so. She does famously good work. I was hoping for more immediate gratification, but it is good to know that avenue is open to me.

Patrick, thanks for the kind suggestion. I am aware that climbers take a long time to come into their own.

Rosefolly

The Antique Rose Emporium sells it. I had one - the yard man mowed it down, plan to replaceit when I next visit the ARE.

Alameda thanks. Does you plant from ARE grow big?

Jacqueline3 has kindly offered me cuttings from her plant, so I'm going to try that as my next step on this quest.

Thanks to everyone for helpful suggestions.

Rosefolly

How very sweet of Jacqueline to send a cutting. From her description it sounds like a very healthy vigorous plant.

Please keep us posted for the next three years (sleep-creep and leap)so we can share your joy.

Let me see----I'll be 84 but hopefully still perking right along----LOL LOL

Jacqueline---do you have any pictures of your mature bush ???

Florence