Just wanted to let you all know that I have successfully (knock on wood) germination on the shrub rose seed that I received in Dec/Jan 2006/2007 wintersowing packet from Trudi. The thing is it was about 65-70 the other day. I still had no germination. I uncovered my container shuffled the seed around some and Presto! there was germination by the next day. So far it is only one but I am still excited about it. Maybe more by next week hopefully.